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Bergevin Fired

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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 24, 2021
Published: Apr. 24, 2021
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 5:07 a.m.
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I wouldn't, bergevin is the best Active GM rn
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 5:16 a.m.
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I won't comment on firing Bergevin. However, I am not sure they would have to trade multiple pieces to tempt Seattle to take Drouin. I have no skin in the game, but they probably could get something decent for Drouin: Why trade him for nothing?
Apr. 24, 2021 at 5:52 a.m.
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I won't comment on firing Bergevin. However, I am not sure they would have to trade multiple pieces to tempt Seattle to take Drouin. I have no skin in the game, but they probably could get something decent for Drouin: Why trade him for nothing?


Because OlegP is an idiot, no other reason
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 6:30 a.m.
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Because OlegP is an idiot, no other reason


This is harsh but I'm having a hard time even summoning the energy to play devil's advocate here ooh hey that was kind of a pun there sort of 🤔
Apr. 24, 2021 at 6:31 a.m.
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All players have down seasons

They bounce back

Drouin's having a down season

He'll bounce back

Good talk 🤝
Apr. 24, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.
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Why would you have to pay to take Poehling or Drouin?
Apr. 24, 2021 at 10:00 a.m.
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I wouldn't, bergevin is the best Active GM rn


Bahahahhaha you can't be serious
Apr. 24, 2021 at 10:02 a.m.
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Bahahahhaha you can't be serious


Sorry i meant second best, Sakic is probably the best
Apr. 24, 2021 at 10:32 a.m.
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Sorry i meant second best, Sakic is probably the best


Bergevin is likely a below average gm, certainly nowhere near best.

He's been gm since 2012

He inherited a team that made the playoffs 4/5 years prior to taking over.

Under him they've made it 5/8 years but wouldn't have made it one of them if it weren't for a special play in year for the pandemic. So a 0.500 playoffs rate

They have no #1c.

League wide they're in 16th place so borderline for a playoff spot

They have the worst contract in the league

What on earth would make him the second best gm in the league?
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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Bergevin is likely a below average gm, certainly nowhere near best.

He's been gm since 2012

He inherited a team that made the playoffs 4/5 years prior to taking over.

Under him they've made it 5/8 years but wouldn't have made it one of them if it weren't for a special play in year for the pandemic. So a 0.500 playoffs rate

They have no #1c.

League wide they're in 16th place so borderline for a playoff spot

They have the worst contract in the league

What on earth would make him the second best gm in the league?


All the fleece jobs he has done
Apr. 24, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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All the fleece jobs he has done


He's done 2. Galchenyuk and Domi. And I'd argue he got lucky on Domi.

The Subban trade was a ****ty trade that he got lucky that Subban decline crazy young. But honestly I'd likely rather be Nashville now anyway with the couple seconds and prospects they have then that ****ty Weber deal.

Outside of those trades though he's been pretty awful. His team is meh at best. He's been gm for 9 years. That's all on him.

Besides he's gotten fleeced too. Check out that beautiful Drouin trade.

Even in his big trades he's failed to ever acquire what the team has glaringly needed for a decade: a number 1 c.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.
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Because OlegP is an idiot, no other reason


lol
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 3:55 p.m.
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All players have down seasons

They bounce back

Drouin's having a down season

He'll bounce back

Good talk 🤝


His value has been debated but it isn't more than marginal at best on a long year deal playing 4th line much like Tyler Johnson whom has negative value in Tampa.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 3:58 p.m.
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I won't comment on firing Bergevin. However, I am not sure they would have to trade multiple pieces to tempt Seattle to take Drouin. I have no skin in the game, but they probably could get something decent for Drouin: Why trade him for nothing?


Doesn't surprise me so many people here dont understand subtlety.

You are NOT trading multiple pieces to rid yourself of Drouin. You are trading multiple pieces to protect Allen. Every team is losing something to Seattle thus you are losing something tangible. Poehling and a 2nd is more or less the price when pieces like Burakovsky, Greenway can be had in expansion.

Then you factor in Drouin's long term deal, no one can take that contract but Seattle or maybe Detroit.

Anyone that thought here that you are trading multiple pieces to rid yourself of Drouin doesn't understand subtlety or more or less is an i*iot
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.
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This is harsh but I'm having a hard time even summoning the energy to play devil's advocate here ooh hey that was kind of a pun there sort of 🤔


You didn't pass the test. This was easy to see what was going on. Sorry bud, reading comprehension is something learned. Clearly it said Seattle in the notes. Your teacher I'm sure told you to look at the big picture and not pick your nose in class like that avatar
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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He's done 2. Galchenyuk and Domi. And I'd argue he got lucky on Domi.

The Subban trade was a ****ty trade that he got lucky that Subban decline crazy young. But honestly I'd likely rather be Nashville now anyway with the couple seconds and prospects they have then that ****ty Weber deal.

Outside of those trades though he's been pretty awful. His team is meh at best. He's been gm for 9 years. That's all on him.

Besides he's gotten fleeced too. Check out that beautiful Drouin trade.

Even in his big trades he's failed to ever acquire what the team has glaringly needed for a decade: a number 1 c.


Ok let me name all the fleece jobs (at least what i remember cuz i became a hockey fan in 2013)

- Eric Staal for two measly draft picks
- Anderson for Domi and a 3rd
- The Danault trade
- Pacioretty trade
- Petry trade

Times he got fleeced
- Sergachev/Drouin trade

Every other move is in the middle
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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Ok let me name all the fleece jobs (at least what i remember cuz i became a hockey fan in 2013)

- Eric Staal for two measly draft picks
- Anderson for Domi and a 3rd
- The Danault trade
- Pacioretty trade
- Petry trade

Times he got fleeced
- Sergachev/Drouin trade

Every other move is in the middle


Problem with Bergevin is he's more concerned about how he's viewed than building a team. Winning small trades doesn't move the needle. Bargain Bin Bergie is a thing and it made him look terrible with those small "wins" at TDL with Merrill and Gustafsson. Yeah they were cheap but you locked in your lineup with no cap space or roster moves (1 left) so CC cant be called up when they desperately need him in the lineup to fix a bad PP and give some balance to the lineup with no Gallagher.

Look no further than the Karl Alzner buyout as the key example of his incompetence. Now most ppl see that as being inconsequential but when you look closer, that contract was close to buyout proof. They would have had better cap savings this year keeping him in the minors (1 mil) with less term going forward.

Bergevin did that buyout as a favour to Karl Alzner so he could be free to get a job in the NHL (useless, he did not) but hey Karl likes him now (high five)

This is my biggest pet peeve with Bergevin. He rather looked swole and have everyone like him than be a good GM.

He's had 9 years and the team isn't any better, i'd argue the team is worse with no star players unlike what he inherited with MaxPac, PK and vintage Price
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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This is harsh but I'm having a hard time even summoning the energy to play devil's advocate here ooh hey that was kind of a pun there sort of 🤔


GM wasn't serious lol but you bought that as well. hehe Subtlety is not your strong suit.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 6:36 p.m.
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Ok let me name all the fleece jobs (at least what i remember cuz i became a hockey fan in 2013)

- Eric Staal for two measly draft picks
- Anderson for Domi and a 3rd
- The Danault trade
- Pacioretty trade
- Petry trade

Times he got fleeced
- Sergachev/Drouin trade

Every other move is in the middle


Staal had 10 points in 30+ games with Buffalo and now 2 points in 11 games with Montreal. That's all he was worth

The Danault trade wasn't a fleecing, it was a gamble that won. Danault was a prospect who panned out. Totally different

The Pacioretty trade was a good hockey trade. Both sides won. Pacioretty is vegas' leading goal scorer and point scorer and signed for term. They're not regretting it

The Petry deal was a second and 4th for a pending Ufa #3 defenseman. Seemed like a market rate

He's hit on a bunch of his trades I'll certainly give you what. But that's just part of his job and he's done crappy for most of the rest.

From 2012-2017 he did awwwwwful drafting. He got 4 NHLers total and traded one before he played for them (Sergachev), the other three are a depth player in lehkoennen and galchenyuk and mete who he just waived.

Since then he finally made some potential hits in Caufield, Romanov and JK.

Well have to see on Caufield and Romanov but both look like really good picks. JK was probably a decent pick but we'll have to see still too.

He's repeatedly failed to address areas of concern and repeatedly spent assets to NOT ACQUIRE A #1 C

Most of the habs success in his 9 years were more that price was a hart caliber player for about 3 years then anything he did.

He's a bad gm who a couple great trades in 9 years of otherwise mediocrity at best
Apr. 25, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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Doesn't surprise me so many people here dont understand subtlety.

You are NOT trading multiple pieces to rid yourself of Drouin. You are trading multiple pieces to protect Allen. Every team is losing something to Seattle thus you are losing something tangible. Poehling and a 2nd is more or less the price when pieces like Burakovsky, Greenway can be had in expansion.

Then you factor in Drouin's long term deal, no one can take that contract but Seattle or maybe Detroit.

Anyone that thought here that you are trading multiple pieces to rid yourself of Drouin doesn't understand subtlety or more or less is an i*iot


@Olegp - Not once did I attack you, call you any names, or troll you. And I get subtlety, thank you. I did something that many people on this site do not do: I provided honest feedback. That you would call me, or "subtlely" insinuate that anyone that disagreed with you is an idiot is, frankly, now how someone should argue their points and, though I will not get too political here, is a growing problem in this world.

I will not tell you how to live your life, but I personally would not take every critical thought as a personal attack. Personally, I think the cost of trading Poehling or Drouin to protect Allen is way to high. Maybe I am being to "subtle" with that? Either way, I am done with this. There is literally no point to it. I almost never post on this site because when I do there is always someone like you, and it's tiresome and, frankly, immature. I wish you the best of luck in life, @OlegP.
 
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