Not even remotely close to correct. Without McDavid Edmonton is a bottom 5 team. Pittsburgh isn't that bad without crosby

pittsburgh minus malkin with a ton of injuries to their top 6 forward group is sitting 8th in the league right now. you cannot tell me if u subtract crosby this team is even close to where they are right now. and i'm not saying mcdavid isn't valuable he just isn't as valuable as crosby at this point in time

McDavid is just far and away the MVP IMO, based on what he has around him and his analytics I don't think anyone really comes close, maybe Panarin but I still think it's McDavid by a good margin.

Edmonton is a bad team. Without McDavid they are a bottom 5 team. Without Crosby, Pittsburgh is likely not in the playoffs but they would still be better than bottom 5. Crosby is vital no doubt and I'd say he's a finalist for the Hart. I'd even say he deserves it more than Matthews this season but without McDavid Edmonton is the worst team in the North and bottom 5 in the league if not last.

Even then, Panarin has a far better supporting cast. Beyond Draisaitl, McDavid doesn't have anyone worth much to work with. And yet he's running away with the Art Ross, the Hart, The Pearson and may as well give him everything else beyond the Rocket.

Yea that's why I said it's McDavid by a good Margin

I think it’s a tossup between McDavid and Sid. McDavid is obviously better, but like you said, given the pens injuries this year, they’d be a lottery team if Sid went down. Just look at how many man games lost

For a while I thought Matthews was deserving of it since TO is a better team but watching the Oilers a lot more than usual this year has reinforced my belief that he carries that team by himself. Draisaitl is the only player who can look good on his own sometimes and even then, I don't think he's half as good as he gets credit for. McDavid puts 2/3rds of his points on his score sheet. The Oilers are McDavid and if they had even marginally good management, (not saying Holland is terrible, he may be but it's too early to say for certain) they would be unstoppable. Chiarelli should never work in hockey again after he torpedoed this team. Hardly any prospects, a sad cap situation and no easy way out could drive McDavid out the door by the time his contract is up.

Puljujärvi and RNH are great top 6 wingers

Honestly it doesn't even matter. Without McDavid, Edmonton could finish last. Injuries don't matter, their roster is horrible. No McDavid Draisaitl would have 30 points or less. Edmonton would be battling Ottawa for last in the league. No Sid and Pittsburgh is 5th or 6th in their division. Maybe bottom 10. Still a much better team than Edmonton has without McDavid. They literally are an AHL team without McDavid.

Puljujarvi is serviceable, RNH is great though.

No they aren't. RNH is a good player but he's never been able to be much without better players around him. He accomplished pretty much nothing unless he's with one of McDavid or Draisaitl. Pulli is the same but shows even less without McDavid. He's a below average bottom 6 player unless he's with McDavid and he doesn't make McDavid better. No one can reasonably argued that McDavid doesn't carry that team. Its just ridiculous and flat out disrespectful to no credit McDavid with being the only reason his team is in the position it is. Maybe argue Smith has helped by playing over his head but still without McDavid the team would have scored half as many goals this season. Maybe even less.

How can you say drai would have 30 points? He’s a superstar. Edmonton would suck without McDavid forsure. But drai is a star and can carry a team.

He absolutely can't. 2/3rds of his points this season have come with McDavid on the ice. Over his entire career it's almost 3/4 of his points have come with McDavid. Draisaitl is crazy good with McDavid and is a very good player but he is the secondary guy in Edmonton. The game plan vs the Oilers is shut down McDavid. If you do that, it's almost a sure thing you win. If Draisaitl had to be the guy and face the top players from the other team every game for a whole season his stats would be hit hard.

There's no proof or reason to his statement simply just a wild assumption because McDavid is on the ice for a lot of Draisaitls points. Which is obvious lol, a superstar is gonna produce more with another superstar along side him then along. Draisaitl is on the ice for over half of McDavids points as well but he will just ignore that lol. It's a dumb argument.

Nuge is a consistent 50-60 point guy who's great defensively. McDavid is good but he's not that good lol he doesn't add 20+ points to anyone who plays he reasonable amount with. You can't say without him the team would have half the goals they have lol. They have 144 goals this year but without McDavid they would have 72? That's 40 less than the RedWings lol. Draisaitl has proven he can produce with or without McDavid at an elite level. Does McDavid boost his totals? Sure, but Draisaitl helps with McDavids points totals.

Ok if you want to use that excuse for RNH than the same applies to nylander.

Once again youre wrong about puljujarvi:
Puljujärvi + Mcdavid : 55.95 xgf%
Puljujärvi without mcdavid : 59.91 xgf%

Puljujärvi is a great top 6 W and he’s a great compliment to Mcdavid

I’d say puljujarvi is more than serviceable. Elite defensively, great play driver. If he can become a better finisher he’ll be a top 10 rw in the league

Elite players produce when they’re surrounded by other elite players lol. This isn’t a new concept. Even when McDavid was injured last year Drai stepped up his game and was excellent. McDavid is obviously better than Drai, but Drai is still an elite centre and one of the best in the game

Top 10 is a huge reach...

Yup. Good players feed off each other. Not that hard of a concept to grasp. We’ve seen Drai dominant without McDavid on the ice/ in the lineup. The dude can play

Agreed but they do hve very good prospects tho... Broberg, Bouchard, Holloway, Lavoie...

A 30-35 G scorer who's elite defensively would be a top 10 rw in the league

As is saying he's elite at defense. Then again, this is a member of the analytics cult so I shouldn't be surprised

He’s not elite defensively lol. This season hes on pace for 22 goals
And 35 points. He’s a solid middle 6 forward playing with McDavid...