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mvp rankings based on value to their team

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Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the New York Rangers
$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$2,625,000$2,625,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
vasilevskiy, andrei
$9,000,000$9,000,000
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$5,900,000$5,900,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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if mcdavid wins the hart, who's the runner up
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
As is saying he's elite at defense. Then again, this is a member of the analytics cult so I shouldn't be surprised


Yeah that’s a massive reach lol elite defensively. He’s no Barkov/stone/Bergeron/Crosby/ROR/Couts, etc...
Apr. 24, 2021 at 11:53 a.m.
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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
Nuge is a consistent 50-60 point guy who's great defensively. McDavid is good but he's not that good lol he doesn't add 20+ points to anyone who plays he reasonable amount with. You can't say without him the team would have half the goals they have lol. They have 144 goals this year but without McDavid they would have 72? That's 40 less than the RedWings lol. Draisaitl has proven he can produce with or without McDavid at an elite level. Does McDavid boost his totals? Sure, but Draisaitl helps with McDavids points totals.


Are you kidding? McDavid has a hand in close to 2/3rds of Draisaitl's points this season and the number over his career is higher. Draisaitl is a great player no doubt but how much would he produce if teams didn't have to worry about McDavid? How would their PP look if instead of McDavid on the ice you had Turris? Or whoever else you pick from the team? If every opposing team could just focus solely on Draisaitl would he score as much? McDavid on the ice is terrifying and you have to be aware of him always. I'm a Leafs fan and I think Matthews is a top 3 player in the league, and when we are playing Edmonton McDavid scares me because he's just flat out better than anyone else. If we played the Oilers and it was Matthews vs Draisaitl? TO has a massive advantage. Not to mention that after Draisaitl, the Oilers have 2 forwards who would likely make the Leafs roster and one of them I am not sure would fit (Yamamoto, is a good player but if you look at TO right now, I wouldn't want him in the bottom 6 and he isn't taking anyone's spot in the top 6 at RW.) The debate here is who is the MVP and it is McDavid. There is no player in the game of hockey that means more to their team than McDavid. It's not remotely close. Edmonton is a terrible team but McDavid makes them okay. Without him they are possibly the worst team in the league.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 11:59 a.m.
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Ok if you want to use that excuse for RNH than the same applies to nylander.

Once again youre wrong about puljujarvi:
Puljujärvi + Mcdavid : 55.95 xgf%
Puljujärvi without mcdavid : 59.91 xgf%

Puljujärvi is a great top 6 W and he’s a great compliment to Mcdavid


Way too small of a sample size. You likely wouldn't be able to tell who they played in those games where he was in the bottom 6 but still only a handful of games where it could have been mainly against Ottawa and Vancouver or whatever. Pulli is nothing special. As for Nuge vs Nylander, they are comparable sure. It's not that I don't like Nuge, he's just not a star. If he is your #1 or #2 player you are in huge trouble. If Draisaitl is your #1 player that is pretty good but your #2 through 12 forwards need to be a lot better than they currently are for Edmonton to even be a bubble team. McDavid makes it passable. They'll still get beat in the playoffs but that's not the point here. The debate is who is the MVP and it's McDavid. His team isn't good and yet they are challenging for a playoff spot and have a very remote chance of winning a division. Pittsburgh wouldn't be a playoff team this year without Crosby but they wouldn't be a potential last place team.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: AustonMatthews3443
There's no proof or reason to his statement simply just a wild assumption because McDavid is on the ice for a lot of Draisaitls points. Which is obvious lol, a superstar is gonna produce more with another superstar along side him then along. Draisaitl is on the ice for over half of McDavids points as well but he will just ignore that lol. It's a dumb argument.


Draisaitl isn't the one making everything happen though. He's the beneficiary of McDavid and benefits so much because he has the skill to cash in. McDavid is going to be an Art Ross contender no matter what. Give him Kassian as a winger and he challenges for the Ross. I have never seen a game where McDavid wasn't the best player on the ice. I have seen many games where Draisaitl wasn't as good as several players on the other side.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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Way too small of a sample size. You likely wouldn't be able to tell who they played in those games where he was in the bottom 6 but still only a handful of games where it could have been mainly against Ottawa and Vancouver or whatever. Pulli is nothing special. As for Nuge vs Nylander, they are comparable sure. It's not that I don't like Nuge, he's just not a star. If he is your #1 or #2 player you are in huge trouble. If Draisaitl is your #1 player that is pretty good but your #2 through 12 forwards need to be a lot better than they currently are for Edmonton to even be a bubble team. McDavid makes it passable. They'll still get beat in the playoffs but that's not the point here. The debate is who is the MVP and it's McDavid. His team isn't good and yet they are challenging for a playoff spot and have a very remote chance of winning a division. Pittsburgh wouldn't be a playoff team this year without Crosby but they wouldn't be a potential last place team.


I’d say puljujarvi has been pretty damn impressive this season

Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Agreed but they do hve very good prospects tho... Broberg, Bouchard, Holloway, Lavoie...


If they can develop them
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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I’d say puljujarvi has been pretty damn impressive this season



Cool story.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:22 p.m.
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Cool story.


Why do you use advanced metrics when it fits your narrative but completely ignore them when it doesn’t support your narrative lol
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:24 p.m.
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If I'm Boston the one player I don't wana lose to injuri is McAvoy
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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Why do you use advanced metrics when it supports your narrative but completely ignore them when it doesn’t support your narrative lol


I don't rely solely on analytics. They still have a long way to go in hockey. The style of the team, his linemates, sample size, strength of opposition, all of it influences all of this way too much. As a whole this season is harder to judge than ever because you play the same teams so often. If you get the right matchup you can dominate but then be much less in other scenarios. For example Edmonton is just over 500 vs everyone in the North but beat Ottawa 9 times. So how does that affect the Analytics? Rielly has played a pile of minutes against McDavid who's had a monster year, how does that make his defensive analytics look since that is a proportionally large amount of ice time vs other years? I don't completely trust analytics because hockey is one of the most team orientated sports. You work as a 5 man unit. So who you play with, who you play against and puck bounces greatly affect the Analytics. In a season where you play the same teams over and over its hard to really get an accurate representation. With that said, watching McDavid, he's the best player in the world always. Pulli is hardly noticeable most of the time. On the 3rd line he is of little consequence as pretty much every Oiler is when McDavid and Draisaitl are not on the ice. Hence why McDavid is without a doubt the MVP. No one means as much to their te as he does.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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I don't rely solely on analytics. They still have a long way to go in hockey. The style of the team, his linemates, sample size, strength of opposition, all of it influences all of this way too much. As a whole this season is harder to judge than ever because you play the same teams so often. If you get the right matchup you can dominate but then be much less in other scenarios. For example Edmonton is just over 500 vs everyone in the North but beat Ottawa 9 times. So how does that affect the Analytics? Rielly has played a pile of minutes against McDavid who's had a monster year, how does that make his defensive analytics look since that is a proportionally large amount of ice time vs other years? I don't completely trust analytics because hockey is one of the most team orientated sports. You work as a 5 man unit. So who you play with, who you play against and puck bounces greatly affect the Analytics. In a season where you play the same teams over and over its hard to really get an accurate representation. With that said, watching McDavid, he's the best player in the world always. Pulli is hardly noticeable most of the time. On the 3rd line he is of little consequence as pretty much every Oiler is when McDavid and Draisaitl are not on the ice. Hence why McDavid is without a doubt the MVP. No one means as much to their te as he does.


Analytics take into account quality of teammates, competition etc. I’ve watched the last couple of EDM games and aside from Mcdavid, puljujarvi has been the best player on the ice.

Rielly has been bad defensively for years now. Muzzin-holl get the tougher matchups and do well, Reilly is still abysmal defensively.
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Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
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Analytics take into account quality of teammates, competition etc. I’ve watched the last couple of EDM games and aside from Mcdavid, puljujarvi has been the best player on the ice.

Rielly has been bad defensively for years now. Muzzin-holl get the tougher matchups and do well, Reilly is still abysmal defensively.


This is false. Rielly and Brodie have seen a pile of minutes against McDavid this season
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:46 p.m.
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This is false. Rielly and Brodie have seen a pile of minutes against McDavid this season


The last time Toronto played Edmonton , muzzin had 15:34 ice time against Mcdavid, rielly had 5:10.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:52 p.m.
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The last time Toronto played Edmonton , muzzin had 15:34 ice time against Mcdavid, rielly had 5:10.


Was that in TO? On the road Rielly gets a lot of minutes vs McDavid and they have limited damage which is about as good as anyone can expect vs McDavid.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.
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Was that in TO? On the road Rielly gets a lot of minutes vs McDavid and they have limited damage which is about as good as anyone can expect vs McDavid.


The last time on the road Rielly had 5 min of ice time against Mcdavid and Muzzin had 7:10. Im just saying overall Rielly hasn't been good defensively in during his career. Top 5 offensive dman, one of the worst defensive impacts in the league.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.
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I don’t think he’d win or even get nominated, but Saros should be in the conversation here if NSH makes the playoffs. With how bad NSH was and how Saros has nearly single-handedly brought them to the playoffs with Vezina-type stats since coming back from injury, he is definitely NSH’s MVP.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
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The last time on the road Rielly had 5 min of ice time against Mcdavid and Muzzin had 7:10. Im just saying overall Rielly hasn't been good defensively in during his career. Top 5 offensive dman, one of the worst defensive impacts in the league.


He certainly isn't the best defensively but he isn't bad.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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I’d say puljujarvi has been pretty damn impressive this season



If analytics suggest Pulj looks like a “beast”, producing at a 35 point pace on a line with the greatest player in the NHL, clearly something is seriously wrong with your model LOL
Apr. 24, 2021 at 2:58 p.m.
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Without Hellebuyck, the Jets are a burning train wreck at the bottom of a ravine.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 3:21 p.m.
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Vasilevskiy is really underrated for Tampa. They don't look fantastic without him in net.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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Without Hellebuyck, the Jets are a burning train wreck at the bottom of a ravine.


i was thinking about him but i just thought everyone listed is just as important.
Apr. 24, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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Vasilevskiy is really underrated for Tampa. They don't look fantastic without him in net.


i think the guys ahead of him here all have a case for being higher but he's extremely valuable
Apr. 24, 2021 at 5:24 p.m.
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i was thinking about him but i just thought everyone listed is just as important.


To be fair, McDavid is going to win and ...

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Apr. 26, 2021 at 9:50 a.m.
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McDavid EASILY #1
 
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