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Apr. 26, 2021 at 11:02 p.m.
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DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK CROSBY IS THE BEST PENGUIN????? THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT CODY CECI IS THE GREATEST PENGUIN OF ALL TIME
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Apr. 26, 2021 at 11:05 p.m.
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Don't think Pettersson gets you White 1 for 1
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Apr. 26, 2021 at 11:10 p.m.
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This is less value than Eichel.

IMO Crosby has at least the same value, probably more.
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Apr. 26, 2021 at 11:12 p.m.
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This is less value than Eichel.

IMO Crosby has at least the same value, probably more.


yeah I agree, I just tried to be realistic. I've been a diehard Sid fan since I was 5 years old, it'd take a lot more than that more me to be comfortable with a trade lmao.
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Apr. 27, 2021 at 12:41 a.m.
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Yeah the salary cap exists and that’s not going to happen
Apr. 27, 2021 at 12:45 a.m.
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Yeah the salary cap exists and that’s not going to happen


Sid makes 8.7 and Johnson makes 6? You wouldn't make 2.7 in cap space for the best player of this generation?
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Apr. 27, 2021 at 12:49 a.m.
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Sid makes 8.7 and Johnson makes 6? You wouldn't make 2.7 in cap space for the best player of this generation?


4 years vs 2 years when you have the franchises biggest contract coming up in mackinnon or make it next to impossible to sign landeskog next season

Yeah I would rather gave the high end elcs and room to pay mackinnon and land vs a couple years of Crosby before gutting the team

Easy decline, and that’s not a shot at Crosby. Not touching that contract in a flat cap
Apr. 27, 2021 at 3:21 a.m.
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DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK CROSBY IS THE BEST PENGUIN????? THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT CODY CECI IS THE GREATEST PENGUIN OF ALL TIME


I don't know where the hell you are getting this "ALL TIME" **** from.
Jack Johnson is clearly the greatest player to ever put on a penguins jersey. Period. He's an Olympian. The level of play isn't even comparable.
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Apr. 27, 2021 at 7:20 a.m.
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I don't know where the hell you are getting this "ALL TIME" **** from.
Jack Johnson is clearly the greatest player to ever put on a penguins jersey. Period. He's an Olympian. The level of play isn't even comparable.


Jay Caufield was the best player to put on a penguin jersey. You high?
Apr. 27, 2021 at 9:40 a.m.
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Don't think Pettersson gets you White 1 for 1


You’re right...Ottawa probably adds
Apr. 27, 2021 at 9:19 p.m.
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You’re right...Ottawa probably adds


For your 6th defenceman? Riiiight haha
Apr. 28, 2021 at 6:03 a.m.
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For your 6th defenceman? Riiiight haha


Well Pettersson is in this trade, not Matheson. So you’re getting our #4 defenseman. However it doesn’t matter what he is on our team due to our depth. He is a young top 4 defenseman on a good contract. He can get more than an overpaid 3rd liner for sure.
Apr. 28, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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Well Pettersson is in this trade, not Matheson. So you’re getting our #4 defenseman. However it doesn’t matter what he is on our team due to our depth. He is a young top 4 defenseman on a good contract. He can get more than an overpaid 3rd liner for sure.


You can say that he's a top 4 defenceman on your team but that doesn't make it true. He consistently plays the least amount of minutes of any dman on the team. Pettersson has averaged 16:24 TOI this year meanwhile Matheson has averaged 18:17 TOI. He plays the least out of any of the regular defenders.... he's your #6 and Ottawa wouldn't want him at the term and dollars he's at clogging up the left side.
Apr. 28, 2021 at 11:00 p.m.
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You can say that he's a top 4 defenceman on your team but that doesn't make it true. He consistently plays the least amount of minutes of any dman on the team. Pettersson has averaged 16:24 TOI this year meanwhile Matheson has averaged 18:17 TOI. He plays the least out of any of the regular defenders.... he's your #6 and Ottawa wouldn't want him at the term and dollars he's at clogging up the left side.


He plays the 4th most even strength minutes. Matheson consistently gets 2-4 minutes of power play time. Ceci consistently get 3-6 minutes of short handed time. Pettersson gets no special teams time. So yes he is the number 4 defenseman. John Marino, his partner gets the 3rd most minutes among the defensemen. Therefore, Pettersson would have to be the number 4 defenseman. You can say he is the 6th d but that doesn’t make it true.
Apr. 29, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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He plays the 4th most even strength minutes. Matheson consistently gets 2-4 minutes of power play time. Ceci consistently get 3-6 minutes of short handed time. Pettersson gets no special teams time. So yes he is the number 4 defenseman. John Marino, his partner gets the 3rd most minutes among the defensemen. Therefore, Pettersson would have to be the number 4 defenseman. You can say he is the 6th d but that doesn’t make it true.


Except the difference is you're straight up wrong haha. Just because Pettersson's most common partner is Marino doesn't mean he's your 4th defenceman. Since apparently you don't have time or want to give the effort to actually look at the even strength toi I'll give it to you here.

Letang 19:47
Dumoulin 19:21
Matheson 17:45
Marino 17:30
Ceci 15:52
Pettersson 15:19

He averages the least toi even strength and you said yourself that he doesn't get special teams time. He's also the least productive defenceman on the team at 0.15 points per game. That's your 6th defenceman. The stats are what makes that true.
Apr. 29, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Except the difference is you're straight up wrong haha. Just because Pettersson's most common partner is Marino doesn't mean he's your 4th defenceman. Since apparently you don't have time or want to give the effort to actually look at the even strength toi I'll give it to you here.

Letang 19:47
Dumoulin 19:21
Matheson 17:45
Marino 17:30
Ceci 15:52
Pettersson 15:19

He averages the least toi even strength and you said yourself that he doesn't get special teams time. He's also the least productive defenceman on the team at 0.15 points per game. That's your 6th defenceman. The stats are what makes that true.


Except you’re wrong. That does make him the 4th defenseman. If Marino is the 3rd defenseman, then his partner is also a top 4 D, which makes him the 4th defenseman. And you’re using total season average time on ice which is skewed due to injuries when Matheson was early on in the season paired with Marino playing over 20 minutes per game. Sully has since ended that clusterf*ck of an idea. Now with everyone healthy, Matheson plays 15-18 minutes per night including 2-3 minutes of powerplay time.
The reason MP doesn’t get special teams time and doesn’t have high point totals is because he is one of 3 defensive defensemen. Of course he won’t score as many points as offensive and two way dmen. And of course he isn’t going to get powerplay time. Letang and Marino are the biggest investments and get both PP and PK time. That leaves the only other offensive option (Matheson) to get the remaining PP time as the pens don’t use 2 dmen on both units. Dumoulin and Ceci get the bulk of the PK time. So obviously no room for MP. That doesn’t make him any less of a defenseman. Just makes the pens deeper.
Apr. 29, 2021 at 7:33 p.m.
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Except you’re wrong. That does make him the 4th defenseman. If Marino is the 3rd defenseman, then his partner is also a top 4 D, which makes him the 4th defenseman. And you’re using total season average time on ice which is skewed due to injuries when Matheson was early on in the season paired with Marino playing over 20 minutes per game. Sully has since ended that clusterf*ck of an idea. Now with everyone healthy, Matheson plays 15-18 minutes per night including 2-3 minutes of powerplay time.
The reason MP doesn’t get special teams time and doesn’t have high point totals is because he is one of 3 defensive defensemen. Of course he won’t score as many points as offensive and two way dmen. And of course he isn’t going to get powerplay time. Letang and Marino are the biggest investments and get both PP and PK time. That leaves the only other offensive option (Matheson) to get the remaining PP time as the pens don’t use 2 dmen on both units. Dumoulin and Ceci get the bulk of the PK time. So obviously no room for MP. That doesn’t make him any less of a defenseman. Just makes the pens deeper.


If youre making excuses about injuries and the stats over the whole season then explain the last 5 games. Why has be played he played the least in even strength and total toi every single game?
Apr. 30, 2021 at 12:51 a.m.
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If youre making excuses about injuries and the stats over the whole season then explain the last 5 games. Why has be played he played the least in even strength and total toi every single game?


That’s easy...because that’s not factual at all. 4/20/21 vs the devils he had the 4th most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/22/21 vs the devils he had the 3rd most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/24/21 vs the devils he had the 5th most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/25/21 vs Boston and 4/27/21 vs Boston he had the least even strength ice time among defensemen. Fun fact 4/22/21 vs the devils, Matheson had the most even strength ice time and Letang had the 4th most even strength ice time. Do you really think Matheson is better than Letang or even played better than Letang in that game specifically? No. The thing with Sully is there are a lot of factors that go into players ice time. Score, matchups, etc
Apr. 30, 2021 at 3:16 a.m.
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That’s easy...because that’s not factual at all. 4/20/21 vs the devils he had the 4th most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/22/21 vs the devils he had the 3rd most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/24/21 vs the devils he had the 5th most even strength ice time among dmen, 4/25/21 vs Boston and 4/27/21 vs Boston he had the least even strength ice time among defensemen. Fun fact 4/22/21 vs the devils, Matheson had the most even strength ice time and Letang had the 4th most even strength ice time. Do you really think Matheson is better than Letang or even played better than Letang in that game specifically? No. The thing with Sully is there are a lot of factors that go into players ice time. Score, matchups, etc


Dude YOU'RE the one that was trying to use even strength ice time to justify his value. Everyone and their mother knows Letang is more valuable than Matheson and the TOI reflects that. It does the opposite for Pettersson. You can't have it both ways. When the game is on the line he's the one not getting played. Do these look like numbers that say top 4?

Tonight he played 12:32, least out of anyone even at even strength and no special teams time.
On the 27th against Boston he played 14:13, least out of anyone at even strength and no special teams time.
On the 25th against Boston he played 15:24, least out of anyone at even strength and no special teams time.
Before that against Jersey he played 14:18 which put him a whopping 7 seconds above last at even strength and the last overall with no special teams time.

You tried to say that he averages the 4th most even strength ice time and that's what makes him your 4th defenceman. I gave you the season averages which have him dead last and you tried to refute that by saying injuries skewed the numbers earlier in the season. Yet here we are looking at his most recent games and he's bottom of the barrel. So much so that he has averaged the least amount of total toi and even strength toi in the last 5 games to go along with his abysmal season averages. Keep in mind that the that he doesn't get minutes when the game actually matters or when matchups are taken into account is actually what should be jumping out at you the most. If him getting phased out was a one off then the numbers would reflect that when averaged, whether over the last 5 games or over the season.... but they dont.

Also fun fact: Ceci and Matheson are listed pretty much everywhere as your second pair.
Apr. 30, 2021 at 9:29 p.m.
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Dude YOU'RE the one that was trying to use even strength ice time to justify his value. Everyone and their mother knows Letang is more valuable than Matheson and the TOI reflects that. It does the opposite for Pettersson. You can't have it both ways. When the game is on the line he's the one not getting played. Do these look like numbers that say top 4?

Tonight he played 12:32, least out of anyone even at even strength and no special teams time.
On the 27th against Boston he played 14:13, least out of anyone at even strength and no special teams time.
On the 25th against Boston he played 15:24, least out of anyone at even strength and no special teams time.
Before that against Jersey he played 14:18 which put him a whopping 7 seconds above last at even strength and the last overall with no special teams time.

You tried to say that he averages the 4th most even strength ice time and that's what makes him your 4th defenceman. I gave you the season averages which have him dead last and you tried to refute that by saying injuries skewed the numbers earlier in the season. Yet here we are looking at his most recent games and he's bottom of the barrel. So much so that he has averaged the least amount of total toi and even strength toi in the last 5 games to go along with his abysmal season averages. Keep in mind that the that he doesn't get minutes when the game actually matters or when matchups are taken into account is actually what should be jumping out at you the most. If him getting phased out was a one off then the numbers would reflect that when averaged, whether over the last 5 games or over the season.... but they dont.

Also fun fact: Ceci and Matheson are listed pretty much everywhere as your second pair.


Also fun fact: you’re wrong on every level. 👍
Apr. 30, 2021 at 11:38 p.m.
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Also fun fact: you’re wrong on every level. 👍


You know what I’m not wrong about? 12 minutes in an important game down the stretch against a bitter rival 😬 I’ll believe what you’re saying when Sully does and the numbers start reflecting that instead of telling a different story than you are.

Enjoy your night and your “top 4” defenceman
May 1, 2021 at 10:28 a.m.
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You know what I’m not wrong about? 12 minutes in an important game down the stretch against a bitter rival 😬 I’ll believe what you’re saying when Sully does and the numbers start reflecting that instead of telling a different story than you are.

Enjoy your night and your “top 4” defenceman


Except you’re wrong in every way. Letang and Dumo ALWAYS get the important minutes down the stretch. Ceci and Matheson don’t get them either. That’s just plain stupid. Pettersson got 12 minutes because the pens were playing from behind. They needed offense. Wouldn’t really make sense to put out their defensive pair. Just dumb.
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Would you look at that...pens get out to the early lead and so far this game MP has the most TOI with Marino. It’s almost as if Sully dictates time on ice based on the situation 😮
May 1, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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Would you look at that...pens get out to the early lead and so far this game MP has the most TOI with Marino. It’s almost as if Sully dictates time on ice based on the situation 😮


ONE period out of the last SIXTEEN he's played top 4 minutes. It's not like they haven't played with the lead the last 5 games, calm it down haha
May 1, 2021 at 9:42 p.m.
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ONE period out of the last SIXTEEN he's played top 4 minutes. It's not like they haven't played with the lead the last 5 games, calm it down haha


Except you’re wrong in every way. He played top 4 minutes tonight. He was out there to shut it down at the end. AND over the past 3 games before this one the pens have only had a lead for a total of 25 minutes...combined! So just face it. You’re wrong 😂
 
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