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New C tougher team

Created by: Sayburrz
Initial Creation Date: May 2, 2021
Published: May 2 at 4:43
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Davidsson, Marcus3$750,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Asplund, Rasmus2$925,000
Borgen, William2$925,000
Dahlin, Rasmus3$4,000,000
Jokiharju, Henri3$1,250,000
Mittelstadt, Casey3$2,575,000
Reinhart, Sam6$6,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Driedger, Chris2$3,250,000
Ullmark, Linus1$3,000,000
Granlund, Mikael2$4,000,000
Landeskog, Gabriel2$8,000,000
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan2$8,000,000
Schenn, Luke1$900,000
Hamilton, Dougie3$6,000,000
Trades
BUF
    Future considerations
    SEA
    1. Eakin, Cody
    BUF
    1. Strome, Dylan
    CHI
    1. Miller, Colin
    BUF
    1. Lazar, Curtis
    BOS
    1. Girgensons, Zemgus ($1,100,000 retained)
    BUF
    1. Deslauriers, Nicolas
    ANA
    1. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Reaves, Ryan
    VGK
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
    BUF
    1. 2022 3rd round pick (WSH)
    WSH
    1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
    BUF
    1. Byfield, Quinton
    2. Iafallo, Alex
    3. Lemieux, Brendan
    4. MacDermid, Kurtis
    5. 2022 1st round pick (LAK)
    6. 2022 2nd round pick (LAK)
    7. 2023 2nd round pick (LAK)
    8. 2023 3rd round pick (LAK)
    LAK
    1. Eichel, Jack
    2. Olofsson, Victor
    3. Pekar, Matej
    4. 2021 3rd round pick (MTL)
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    • Jeff Skinner: $1,472,222
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Zemgus Girgensons: $1,100,000 (50%)
    Buried
    • Kyle Okposo: $4,875,000 ($6,000,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BUF
    BUF
    FLA
    MTL
    BUF
    COL
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    LAK
    BUF
    LAK
    BUF
    WSH
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    LAK
    BUF
    LAK
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$82,500,000$74,222,222$0$850,000$8,277,778
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    $8,000,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $8,000,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    BUF
    Reinhart, Sam
    $6,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    LAK
    Iafallo, Alex
    $4,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 4
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $2,575,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    Granlund, Mikael
    $4,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    Strome, Dylan
    $3,000,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    $894,167
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Thompson, Tage
    $1,400,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BOS
    Lazar, Curtis
    $800,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    ANA
    Deslauriers, Nicolas
    $1,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    LAK
    Lemieux, Brendan
    $1,550,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    VGK
    Reaves, Ryan
    $1,750,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $4,000,000
    LD
    RFA
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $1,250,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    $3,000,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    BUF
    Samuelsson, Mattias
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Hamilton, Dougie
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Driedger, Chris
    $3,250,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    $889,166
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    LAK
    MacDermid, Kurtis
    $875,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    LAK
    Byfield, Quinton
    $894,167 ($0)
    C
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    $925,000 ($0)
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Davidsson, Marcus
    $750,000 ($0)
    C
    RFA
    BUF
    Bjork, Anders
    $1,600,000 ($475,000)
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
    $778,333 ($0)
    G
    RFA - 1
    Schenn, Luke
    $900,000 ($0)
    RD
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Laaksonen, Oskari
    $853,333 ($0)
    RD
    RFA - 2

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    May 2 at 4:45
    #1
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    No thank you.
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    May 2 at 4:47
    #2
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    Few questions here, and I’m not even going to touch the big trade:
    1. What’s the logic behind the bruins move?
    2. Why does RNH take 2x8? As the premier UFA center, it’s likely he’ll be getting six or seven years at pretty similar money. Factor in that no NHL player is going to go to buffalo if they can avoid it, the Sabres would have to overpay. I think to get RNH in buffalo the cost is probably 7x9.5, so you’re about 50 million light.
    3. Dougie for 3x6? Seriously. Same thing with RNH. About 50 million dollar short.
    4. Same with landeskog. Why are these guys taking a discount to go to the most miserable place in the league to be right now?
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    May 2 at 4:49
    #3
    Joined: Jun 2019
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    That Dougie contract is a joke
    May 2 at 4:55
    #4
    Shibbal18
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    Why are the Sabres adding more than Eichel in that LA deal
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    May 2 at 5:00
    #5
    Nylander SZN
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    Chicago hard passes.
    May 2 at 5:05
    #6
    mokumboi
    Joined: Apr 2019
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Few questions here, and I’m not even going to touch the big trade:
    1. What’s the logic behind the bruins move?
    2. Why does RNH take 2x8? As the premier UFA center, it’s likely he’ll be getting six or seven years at pretty similar money. Factor in that no NHL player is going to go to buffalo if they can avoid it, the Sabres would have to overpay. I think to get RNH in buffalo the cost is probably 7x9.5, so you’re about 50 million light.
    3. Dougie for 3x6? Seriously. Same thing with RNH. About 50 million dollar short.
    4. Same with landeskog. Why are these guys taking a discount to go to the most miserable place in the league to be right now?



    Agree heartily with everything you said here EXCEPT about Nugent-Hopkins' value. Dude is certainly not worth a 9.5m AAV, and any team who paid him that for 7 years would have to be completely nuts.
    May 2 at 5:07
    #7
    mokumboi
    Joined: Apr 2019
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    Vegas jumps at all that before you come to your senses. Chicago angrily declines.
    May 2 at 5:16
    #8
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    Why is buf giving a 2nd for reavestears of joy BIG OVERPAY
    May 2 at 5:18
    #9
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Agree heartily with everything you said here EXCEPT about Nugent-Hopkins' value. Dude is certainly not worth a 9.5m AAV, and any team who paid him that for 7 years would have to be completely nuts.


    Well, notice i never said he was worth 9.5 i just think that could be the amount of money that would get him to buffalo. Truthfully, I’m guessing he wouldn’t even talk to buffalo, but for the sake of argument he’s probably worth 7x7-7.5. Again for the sake of argument lets take the high side of that. Then factor in that he will definitely be the top center on the UFA market, and all of a sudden its not crazy to think 8 million is out there. THEN factor in that there’s a team with 0 dollars committed to any player that’s in a kinda cool tax free market, and I’m thinking it will take a big enough overpay to get RNH to consider buffalo that they might have to talk about 9.5
    May 2 at 5:19
    #10
    Elite Sarcasm
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    Everyone already knows that being sent to Buffalo means that you aren’t wanted. Most of the guys that you have grabbed either via free agency or by trades are going to be players that their respective teams want
    May 2 at 5:30
    #11
    Joined: Aug 2020
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Agree heartily with everything you said here EXCEPT about Nugent-Hopkins' value. Dude is certainly not worth a 9.5m AAV, and any team who paid him that for 7 years would have to be completely nuts.


    With Seattle coming on to the scene and so many C desperate teams, nothing would surprise me, but yeah I think $9.5 is an awful lot.
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    May 2 at 5:42
    #12
    Joined: Mar 2020
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    Everything here is a joke
    May 2 at 5:47
    #13
    mokumboi
    Joined: Apr 2019
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Well, notice i never said he was worth 9.5 i just think that could be the amount of money that would get him to buffalo. Truthfully, I’m guessing he wouldn’t even talk to buffalo, but for the sake of argument he’s probably worth 7x7-7.5. Again for the sake of argument lets take the high side of that. Then factor in that he will definitely be the top center on the UFA market, and all of a sudden its not crazy to think 8 million is out there. THEN factor in that there’s a team with 0 dollars committed to any player that’s in a kinda cool tax free market, and I’m thinking it will take a big enough overpay to get RNH to consider buffalo that they might have to talk about 9.5



    Fair enough on the first sentence. But is he really the clear best C available? He's absolutely garbage on draws. He's never scored 30 goals or posted a PPG, and nearly half his points come on the PP. He's typically under 50% Corsi & Fenwick, if not well under, despite having over 55% of his career starts in the O-zone. Frankly, even coming off a down offensive season, I'd rather have Danault on my team. And even if RNH is the best UFA C available, it's not like there's much competition at all that isn't like 35. It's a pretty empty designation and a contract like that will soon enough be on all the worst anchor contract lists.
    May 2 at 5:50
    #14
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Fair enough on the first sentence. But is he really the clear best C available? He's absolutely garbage on draws. He's never scored 30 goals or posted a PPG, and nearly half his points come on the PP. He's typically under 50% Corsi & Fenwick, if not well under, despite having over 55% of his career starts in the O-zone. Frankly, even coming off a down offensive season, I'd rather have Danault on my team. And even if RNH is the best UFA C available, it's not like there's much competition at all that isn't like 35. It's a pretty empty designation and a contract like that will soon enough be on all the worst anchor contract lists.


    Exactly. When theres only one real top six center available, that breeds bidding wars.
    May 2 at 5:57
    #15
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    Hawks won't touch that trade
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    May 2 at 6:01
    #16
    mokumboi
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Exactly. When theres only one real top six center available, that breeds bidding wars.



    Yeah... among bad, dumb teams. It's not like RNH is going to put a Buffalo over the top or anything, they certainly have enough time to wait for what will be a far, far juicier C class in '22.

    But yeah, I guess that's why Buffalo is still a Buffalo. tears of joy
    May 2 at 6:08
    #17
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    Quoting: mokumboi
    Yeah... among bad, dumb teams. It's not like RNH is going to put a Buffalo over the top or anything, they certainly have enough time to wait for what will be a far, far juicier C class in '22.

    But yeah, I guess that's why Buffalo is still a Buffalo. tears of joy


    By no means am i saying its a fit for either party. I jsut think it’s what it would take to get RNH to consider buffalo
    May 2 at 6:12
    #18
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    If bruins had wanted Zemgus, they woulda gotten him instead so that shoulda been an obvious no lmao
    May 2 at 7:00
    #19
    Hawks Fan
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    Chicago hard passes.


    Yeah but because it’s the Hawks they miss that hard pass and Buffalo comes down on a 2 on 1 and scores their third goal in 2 minutes.
    May 2 at 10:22
    #20
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: FourthLiner
    If bruins had wanted Zemgus, they woulda gotten him instead so that shoulda been an obvious no lmao


    Hes on LTIR so not necessarily
    May 3 at 12:09
    #21
    First NY Then LA
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    I think that this is a sincere, if at times misplaced, effort.

    To begin with, I think that no one can argue (and, I note, no one has argued) that the Seattle, Anaheim, Las Vegas and Washington trades are reasonable value, whether or not the teams would make them. (I personally will never trade Nic DesLauriers even though people offer entirely sensible assets for him.)

    The Los Angeles trade is particularly interesting for me. Personally, I would weed out all the window dressing. (I think that Iafallo with his recent contract extension is more valuable to us than Olofsson, Lemieux is probably worth more than Pekar, and MacDermid is probably fair value for moving a 2023 third to a 2021 third, so let's call that all a wash after allowing for homer bias.) We're left with Byfield and a first and two seconds for Eichel. This is awfully close to a deal I think a real NHL GM would accept, from either side.

    Buffalo adherents seem to me to have a very high valuation on Eichel, and in this light, I think that the OP has to be commended for getting out there and publishing this proposed exchange which very few of his comrades will approve. I might or might not like it or agree with it, but I admire @Sayburrz for posting it.
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    May 3 at 1:18
    #22
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Hes on LTIR so not necessarily


    they still dont wanna do it lmao. very happy with lazar
     
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