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Vanecek to Oilers

Created by: Capsule
Initial Creation Date: May 3, 2021
Published: May 3 at 9:41
Team: 2021-22 Washington Capitals
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Gibson, Mitchell3$825,000
Hugo Has, Martin3$825,000
Maass, Benton3$775,000
Røykås Marthinsen, Kristian3$775,000
Walfridsson, Sebastian3$775,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel2$750,000
Malenstyn, Beck2$750,000
Pilon, Garrett2$750,000
Samsonov, Ilya1$1,000,000
Svechnikov, Evgeny2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ovechkin, Alex4$10,800,000
Cole, Ian2$1,500,000
Reimer, James2$1,500,000
Trades
WSH
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Vanecek, Vitek
WSH
    SEA
    1. Dillon, Brenden
    WSH
    1. Svechnikov, Evgeny [RFA Rights]
    2. 2022 6th round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Johansen, Lucas [RFA Rights]
    2. Kempný, Michal
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    WSH
    ARI
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    2022
    WSH
    EDM
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    DET
    WSH
    2023
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$81,706,260$472,927$132,500-$206,260
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    WSH
    Ovechkin, Alex
    $10,800,000
    LW, RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Kuznetsov, Evgeny
    $7,800,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Wilson, Tom
    $5,166,666
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Mantha, Anthony
    $5,700,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Bäckström, Nicklas
    $9,200,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Oshie, T.J.
    $5,750,000
    RW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Sheary, Conor
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Eller, Lars
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Sprong, Daniel
    $725,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Hagelin, Carl
    $2,750,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Dowd, Nic
    $750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Hathaway, Garnet
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    WSH
    Fehérváry, Martin
    $791,667
    LD
    RFA - 2
    WSH
    Carlson, John
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Samsonov, Ilya
    $1,000,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Orlov, Dmitry
    $5,100,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Schultz, Justin
    $4,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Reimer, James
    $1,500,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Cole, Ian
    $1,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Jensen, Nick
    $2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    WSH
    van Riemsdyk, Trevor
    $950,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Svechnikov, Evgeny
    $750,000
    LW
    UFA

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    May 3 at 10:00
    #1
    KFTW
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    Isnt Dillon worth keeping over Orlov?
    May 3 at 10:21
    #2
    StevieY19!!
    Joined: Jun 2019
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    You could have gotten Svechnikov for free he's been put on waivers twice this year.
    May 3 at 10:26
    #3
    Roster Architect
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    Oilers aren't trading a 2nd round pick for a career backup goalie.
    May 3 at 10:47
    #4
    The Darkest Timeline
    Joined: Feb 2018
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    I want the vanacek deal instead of kempny
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    May 3 at 10:54
    #5
    Kovid Klaw
    Joined: Sep 2020
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    a two time stanley cup champion got two seconds, a backup so far in the nhl won't even get one
    May 3 at 11:00
    #6
    Banned
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    I think the 3 trades are possible.
    EDM needs a goalie, they will have to pay someone for it.
    Dillon, most likely I think Seattle picks a defenseman, the question is which one. You can't protect them all without a deal. If there is no deal, someone off the blueline is probably it.

    But those signings are way off.
    Cole will get way more than that. Supply and demand is gonna be brutal this year on the defense market. You can thank Seattle for that. It's always been bad, but this year is much worse.
    As for that OV deal, there is no way. Someone needs to sit down and talk reason. It's either term or value. Almost 11 for 4 years is insane. Not only will you never win another cup at that rate, but you'll also let fear of the player walking ruin you. He's not going to get 11 million on the open market. Sure as hell not for 4 years. 7-8 someone needs to talk him off the ledge. Because if that's the ask, let him walk.
    May 3 at 1:29
    #7
    CROSBYFORPRESIDENT
    Joined: Aug 2020
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    Oshie is going to Seattle. Guaranteed
    May 3 at 2:26
    #8
    Thread Starter
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    Quoting: csick
    Isnt Dillon worth keeping over Orlov?


    I think Orlov is the better all-round defenseman, so I would protect him over Dillon.

    Quoting: PENSFAN18
    Oshie is going to Seattle. Guaranteed


    Losing Oshie to Seattle would be great for their cap situation but he is too important for the top six and for the locker room to leave unprotected.
    May 3 at 2:30
    #9
    Thread Starter
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    Quoting: AnyoneButTheBruins
    You could have gotten Svechnikov for free he's been put on waivers twice this year.


    That trade is more about getting Kempnys salary off the books. Johansen and Svechnikov both need fresh starts, so I thought that swap might be a fit.
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    May 3 at 2:33
    #10
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Oilers aren't trading a 2nd round pick for a career backup goalie.


    Quoting: pandemic_p
    a two time stanley cup champion got two seconds, a backup so far in the nhl won't even get one


    Well he's been more than a backup this year but that might say more about Samsonov than Vanecek. I've seen him go for a 2nd rounder a few times on here but I don't know...could trade him for a couple of 3rd rounders as well. He's at least 5.5 millions cheaper than Murray.
    May 3 at 2:37
    #11
    Thread Starter
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    Quoting: pharrow
    I think the 3 trades are possible.
    EDM needs a goalie, they will have to pay someone for it.
    Dillon, most likely I think Seattle picks a defenseman, the question is which one. You can't protect them all without a deal. If there is no deal, someone off the blueline is probably it.

    But those signings are way off.
    Cole will get way more than that. Supply and demand is gonna be brutal this year on the defense market. You can thank Seattle for that. It's always been bad, but this year is much worse.
    As for that OV deal, there is no way. Someone needs to sit down and talk reason. It's either term or value. Almost 11 for 4 years is insane. Not only will you never win another cup at that rate, but you'll also let fear of the player walking ruin you. He's not going to get 11 million on the open market. Sure as hell not for 4 years. 7-8 someone needs to talk him off the ledge. Because if that's the ask, let him walk.


    I agree on Cole, he's been good this year so might be a bit low on him.

    Ovi will get paid, no way they let him walk. Leonsis love him and will pay (almost?) whatever he wants. It's up to Ovi to help out the team's cap structure. Sad but true. Hopefully he signs for a million less.
    May 3 at 3:09
    #12
    Roster Architect
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    Quoting: Capsule
    Well he's been more than a backup this year but that might say more about Samsonov than Vanecek. I've seen him go for a 2nd rounder a few times on here but I don't know...could trade him for a couple of 3rd rounders as well. He's at least 5.5 millions cheaper than Murray.


    Vanacek has a .908sv on a championship calibre NHL team. That's barely backup material. Your comparison to Murray is awful. Murray has a proven track record and has far more than games player than 33 in his career. A better trade comparable would be Bernier to the Leafs, and even that has some glaring differences. Both were back up goalies on their team at the time, but Bernier was seen as a guy with high end starter potential. Leafs bought based on what he had performed in his little experience, and his potential. Vanacek doesn't have that potential. Toronto gave up a 2nd as the main piece for a guy they saw as a starter long term, there's no way a team gives that up for a guy that has less potential than that. You'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him. More likely to get a 4th-6th round pick and a mediocre prospect in the buyers market that the league is currently in. But a 2nd isn't even in the question
    May 3 at 3:09
    #13
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    Oilers are pick poor right now and haven't picked in the 2nd for a few years because of the AA deal. I think Vanacek gets offered a 3rd from Edmonton with maybe a prospect to even it out. I really don't see Edmonton going higher than a 3rd at this time.
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    May 3 at 3:25
    #14
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    Vanacek has a .908sv on a championship calibre NHL team. That's barely backup material. Your comparison to Murray is awful. Murray has a proven track record and has far more than games player than 33 in his career. A better trade comparable would be Bernier to the Leafs, and even that has some glaring differences. Both were back up goalies on their team at the time, but Bernier was seen as a guy with high end starter potential. Leafs bought based on what he had performed in his little experience, and his potential. Vanacek doesn't have that potential. Toronto gave up a 2nd as the main piece for a guy they saw as a starter long term, there's no way a team gives that up for a guy that has less potential than that. You'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him. More likely to get a 4th-6th round pick and a mediocre prospect in the buyers market that the league is currently in. But a 2nd isn't even in the question


    I didn’t make the Murray-comparison. I just answered another post.
    May 5 at 11:48
    #15
    CROSBYFORPRESIDENT
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    Quoting: Capsule
    I think Orlov is the better all-round defenseman, so I would protect him over Dillon.



    Losing Oshie to Seattle would be great for their cap situation but he is too important for the top six and for the locker room to leave unprotected.


    I agree with you. I'm just saying that Oshie might be too rich for the Caps to afford. They gotta sign Ovi, Samsonov. Trading Vrana kinda helped ur cap.
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    May 5 at 11:58
    #16
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    Quoting: PENSFAN18
    I agree with you. I'm just saying that Oshie might be too rich for the Caps to afford. They gotta sign Ovi, Samsonov. Trading Vrana kinda helped ur cap.


    The choice between leaving Dillon/Orlov/Oshie unprotected probably will come down to how much Ovi wants...
     
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