Is that a joke or something? Ottawa is not selling Batherson for futures, he's already a big part of their future.

can't see ottawa selling. at least offer them something good. sandin/robertson + a bunch a picks.

Laughable offer.

As long as it makes the Leafs better nothing else matters you should know that by now

they would want robertson. this offer is not good

Lmao what is this offer? OTT Hangs up so fast.

At not to the beginning of the title

Oh come on

What?! 😂

I'm not saying this offer is good for Ottawa or that they should sell Batherson for picks, but anyone suggesting Batherson is worth either of Rasmus Sandin or Nic Robertson straight up, let alone "adding picks" needs to give their head a shake. Batherson will likely be a middle 6 winger. Those are a dime a dozen to find. Robertson has top line upside and elite goal scoring potential. Sandin had top pairing potential and has already shown to make an impact on a contending team at such a young age. Those are worth much much more than a dime a dozen wingers.

oh boy.. the grass must always be greener on your side.

i said they would WANT robertson not that they would get robertson

You DO know who Drake Batherson is, right? because this package is missing Nick Robertson AT A MINIMUM. Probably change the pick to a first as well.

Ah yeah, 6'3" wingers that hit and score are a dime a dozen. Batherson's already a top line winger and only gonna improve btw so I don't know what you're talking about middle six for lol

OP too ashamed to come back to his own thread

Uhhhhh...

Bro, Batherson is already a top line winger...
You thinking of someone else by mistake?

Batherson is on a top line on a bottom feeding team. That doesn't make him a top line player. He won't even be a top line guy in Ottawa soon enough. Tkachuk, Stuetzle, Norris, and Pinto will all be ahead of him at minimum. By this logic, Connor Brown is also a top line player because he played top line last season for Ottawa.

You're drunk if you think the name Robertson or Sandin even get brought up in those kinda talks.

Nope.

Batherson has 33 points (in 52 games). That's the most on the sens save for Tkachuk (top liner...). That's 0.63 points per game, which is 51 points in an 82 game season.

How does putting up these numbers at age 23 signify middle 6er pre tell?

Woah delete this.

He's on a hot streak. He also started off the season incredibly cold and couldn't score in like 7 or 8 straight games. A point pace still doesn't make him a top liner. So if you're saying he has a better points per game than Thachuk that Batherson is a better player and more valuable?

But let's use your example then:
Batherson - 33 points in 52 games as a 23 year old winger (on a bottom feeding team where someone has to score goals)

Player B - 33 points in 59 games (so a bit off the same ode but still roughly the same numbers) as a 23 year old (on a playoff team that's capable of beating the previous Stanley Cup winning team)

Who is player B?

......

It's Adam Gaudette. Who's seen as a 3rd liner that can point up some points and was just traded for Matthew Highmore. Now I'm not saying that Gaudette has the same amount of trade value as Batherson (so don't twist my words), as trade value isn't my comparison here. What I'm comparing is point totals in games played at the same age, which is something you use to judge if a guy is a first line player or not. So is player B (Adam Gaudette) a first line player or was he after the playoffs last season?

I said save for Thachuk. He's has the second most. Obviously Thachuk is the better player.

And guess who else had similar production at that age with 34 points in 50 games, 33 points in 41 games, and 32 points in 48 games?

Matt Thachuk, Jamie Benn and JVR, respectively...

I'm certainly not saying Batherson is going to be as good as those 3, but I'm saying comparing him to Adam Gaudette is kind of unfair. Gaudette has clearly regressed. Why should we naturally assume Batherson will regress or at least not improve?

But where the comparison of Batherson to Gaudette is more accurate, is that both were never projected to be a top line guy. Of the 3 guys you pointed out, Benn would be the outlier. JVR and Tkachuk were projected to be top line guys from their junior days (although I'd argue JVR has never been a top line guy, more of a really good 2nd line guy at best), where Batherson wasn't and isn't. He's playing, good for him and good for Ottawa. But that doesn't make him a top line player. Like I said, he won't even be on Ottawa's top line next season and then watch his point total drop off. No one will be talking about him as a top line guy. He's not elite in any area of his game to make him in the conversation of a top line guy. He's a bit more well rounded who's been on a hot streak. People seem to forget about him having only 7 points in his first 17 games (2G, 5A) and it took him until his 9th game to score his first goal. He's had a hot April with 11 points in 14 games. But other than that, he's been mediocre. In January he had 5 points in 9 games, in February he had 10 points in 14 games (warmer but not hot), in March he had 6 points in 13 games (includes a 4 game pointless streak and a 6 game pointless streak). That's not very consistent or the numbers of a "top line guy" in the NHL.. in the AHL, sure. But not in the big leagues.

It seems like there is a confusion of what a top line winger is.
Because I would say JVR is a top line player. So, if JVR isn't a top line player, I fully agree Batherson isn't either.
But by those same standards Robertson is also unlikely to be a top line player.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Robertson fan, but do you really think he's going to be better than James van Riemsdyk, who has scores 30 or more goals twice and 20 or more goals 6 times (and would have 8 if not for the shortened seasons). I highly doubt it.

I think if you're only evaluating a guy on being a top line player solely by points or goals, then you're misinformed. Patrik Laine has 21 points in 43 games as a 23 year old. Does that make him less of a top line guy?