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Assuming we dont win the lottery

Created by: The_Rocket
Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2021
Published: May 4 at 6:38
Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Team Explanation
Also assuming holtby is selected and beagle can’t return and Virtanen is kicked out of the nhl and... yeah there’s a lot of “IF’s” here
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Podkolzin, Vasily3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Pettersson, Elias6$7,500,000
Hughes, Quinn3$5,850,000
Juolevi, Olli1$950,000
Lind, Kole1$950,000
Bertuzzi, Tyler5$5,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Boyd, Travis1$750,000
Sutter, Brandon2$1,500,000
Hamonic, Travis2$1,500,000
Stastny, Paul2$4,000,000
Trades
VAN
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [RFA Rights]
DET
  1. Roussel, Antoine
  2. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
Additional Details:
8 OA

Small cap dump to make series work
VAN
    Contract terminated
    DET
    1. Virtanen, Jake
    VAN
      SEA
      1. Holtby, Braden
      VAN
      1. Jensen, Nick
      2. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
      WSH
      1. Woo, Jett
      Recapture Fees
      • Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212
      Buried
      • Loui Eriksson: $4,875,000 ($6,000,000)
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      VAN
      VAN
      ARI
      VAN
      CHI
      VAN
      WPG
      VAN
      2022
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      2023
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      VAN
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$81,500,000$81,371,879$0$1,932,500$128,121
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      VAN
      Miller, J.T.
      $5,250,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 2
      VAN
      Pettersson, Elias
      $7,500,000
      C
      RFA
      VAN
      Boeser, Brock
      $5,875,000
      RW
      RFA - 1
      VAN
      Pearson, Tanner
      $3,250,000
      LW
      NTC
      UFA - 3
      VAN
      Horvat, Bo
      $5,500,000
      C
      UFA - 2
      Bertuzzi, Tyler
      $5,500,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      VAN
      Höglander, Nils
      $891,667
      LW, RW
      RFA - 2
      Stastny, Paul
      $4,000,000
      C, LW
      UFA
      VAN
      Podkolzin, Vasily
      $925,000
      RW
      RFA - 3
      VAN
      Motte, Tyler
      $1,225,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      VAN
      Sutter, Brandon
      $1,500,000
      RW, C
      UFA
      VAN
      Lind, Kole
      $950,000
      RW
      RFA
      VAN
      Gadjovich, Jonah
      $783,333
      LW
      RFA - 1
      VAN
      MacEwen, Zack
      $825,000
      C, RW
      RFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      VAN
      Hughes, Quinn
      $5,850,000
      LD
      RFA
      VAN
      Hamonic, Travis
      $1,500,000
      RD
      UFA
      VAN
      Demko, Thatcher
      $5,000,000
      G
      UFA - 5
      VAN
      Schmidt, Nate
      $5,950,000
      LD/RD
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      VAN
      Myers, Tyler
      $6,000,000
      RD
      NTC
      UFA - 3
      VAN
      DiPietro, Michael
      $811,667
      G
      RFA - 1
      VAN
      Rathbone, Jack
      $925,000
      LD
      RFA - 1
      WSH
      Jensen, Nick
      $2,500,000
      RD
      UFA - 2
      VAN
      Juolevi, Olli
      $950,000
      LD
      RFA
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      VAN
      Ferland, Micheal
      $3,500,000
      LW, RW
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      VAN
      Beagle, Jay
      $3,000,000
      C
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      Taxi Squad
      VAN
      Silovs, Arturs
      $788,889 ($0)
      G
      RFA - 2
      VAN
      Bowey, Madison
      $725,000 ($0)
      RD
      UFA - 1
      VAN
      Highmore, Matthew
      $725,000 ($0)
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
      VAN
      Boyd, Travis
      $750,000 ($0)
      C, RW
      UFA

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      May 4 at 6:42
      #1
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      Detroit should do that.

      I think you paid too much for Hughes on that 3 year bridge. McAvoy, Werenski, and Sergachev all signed 3 year deals from 4.8-5M.

      Pettersson, I don’t think signs that and looks for a Barzal/Point 3 year bridge or higher AAV.
      May 4 at 6:55
      #2
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      Hate that Detroit deal.
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      May 4 at 6:58
      #3
      Who adds what?
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      Jensen's got one more even strength point this year than Myers, while playing much tougher minutes. I'm not sure you have the pick on the right side of that one.
      May 4 at 7:02
      #4
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      Quoting: Eli
      Jensen's got one more even strength point this year than Myers, while playing much tougher minutes. I'm not sure you have the pick on the right side of that one.


      I can pretty much guaruntee Myers plays tougher minutes, but that’s not the point for Washington. Woo is a good prospect and will likely be able to replace Jensen’s role at a much smaller cap hit in a couple years, and is also expansion draft exempt
      May 4 at 7:02
      #5
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      Quoting: sedin33
      Hate that Detroit deal.

      Gotta give something to get something. Bertuzzi is really good and makes this top 6 way better
      May 4 at 7:10
      #6
      theleano1
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Gotta give something to get something. Bertuzzi is really good and makes this top 6 way better


      while that's true an 8ova is a bit tough of an ask, Could see something like a conditional 2022 1st that's lottery protected Just like the Miller trade
      May 4 at 7:23
      #7
      Who adds what?
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      I can pretty much guaruntee Myers plays tougher minutes, but that’s not the point for Washington. Woo is a good prospect and will likely be able to replace Jensen’s role at a much smaller cap hit in a couple years, and is also expansion draft exempt


      Guarantee, eh? 45% offensive zone starts for Myers. Jensen's are only a bit tougher at 36%. What do I win?

      Expansion-exempt RHD is good, especially if the Caps are worried they might lose Schultz or Jensen in expansion.
      May 4 at 8:09
      #8
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      Quoting: Eli
      Guarantee, eh? 45% offensive zone starts for Myers. Jensen's are only a bit tougher at 36%. What do I win?

      Expansion-exempt RHD is good, especially if the Caps are worried they might lose Schultz or Jensen in expansion.


      Myers also plays 5 more minutes per game, so even if he proportionally gets more O-zone time, he still is out in the Dzone just as much as Jensen. Plus, Myers gets first line match up duty. He is a very overworked defensemen
      May 4 at 8:16
      #9
      Shamrockettes rule
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      I suppose if Detroit made the deal on draft day because some one they really wanted was there I could live with it but I don't like it.
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      May 4 at 8:23
      #10
      Hey Beter
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      I can't help but think that Podkolzin would be just fine as the #2RW. It's not as if he's been playing in a bum league: he'll be miles ahead of his AHL counterparts. His NHLe for his entire season (save for the WJC's) was 12.942G - 13.481A - 26.423P with an average of like 12 minutes per night. Increased quality of linemates and TOI makes a 40 point season very, very plausible.

      The Pacific division is going to be a dumpster fire save for Vegas and Edmonton: if you can bring in Stastny for the #3C and play Lind with him, you can probably keep your pick and just eat the last year of Roussel's deal. Hell, bury him if you want, but I don't think you need to move that much value nor do I think bringing in Bertuzzi is an immediate need. Who's the premier RD for the Canucks over the next decade? What's the long term solution for a quality #3C?

      Given that the draft rankings never match what we see on the actual day of the draft, there's a chance the Canucks could be looking at drafting either Johnson, Lucius, or McTavish to anchor that #3C until the heat death of the universe. Clarke shouldn't be available but there's always a chance.

      Moving that pick - unless for an already established young RHD - is probably not in the Canucks' best interest.
      May 4 at 8:47
      #11
      Who adds what?
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Myers also plays 5 more minutes per game, so even if he proportionally gets more O-zone time, he still is out in the Dzone just as much as Jensen. Plus, Myers gets first line match up duty. He is a very overworked defensemen


      They're both top-10 among RHD in SHTOI. Myers also gets plenty of power play time, though. I agree he's overworked. Could use a supporting cast. I think Jensen plays a key role in reducing Carlson's workload, but under a flat cap, WSH is going to have to make some sacrifices this summer. It's just a question of what deals make the most sense for them. I think they have depth at LHD, and they have no depth at RHD, so for them to deal an RHD, the trade actually has to be a win.
      May 4 at 8:55
      #12
      Go Wings Go
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      laugh laugh Is this a freaking joke Rousell is 31 years old not trading a 25 year old Bertuzzi for a player that doesn't fit our rebuild time line. Bertuzzi > > Rousell just due to the age difference. Vancouver's 8OA in a meh 2021 NHL draft doesn't cut it. Yzerman would want a much younger piece for Bertuzzi not someone that is 5 years older. Detroit passes.
      May 4 at 9:00
      #13
      Go Wings Go
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      Quoting: BStinson
      Detroit should do that.

      I think you paid too much for Hughes on that 3 year bridge. McAvoy, Werenski, and Sergachev all signed 3 year deals from 4.8-5M.

      Pettersson, I don’t think signs that and looks for a Barzal/Point 3 year bridge or higher AAV.


      Why should Detroit make that trade? Rousell is 5 years older then Bertuzzi. And there's no certain guarantee that this years 8OA pick winds up being any better then Bertuzzi.
      May 4 at 9:12
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      Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
      Why should Detroit make that trade? Rousell is 5 years older then Bertuzzi. And there's no certain guarantee that this years 8OA pick winds up being any better then Bertuzzi.

      Roussel is merely a 1.9M cash / 3M AAV dump. The 8th overall gives you one of the top tier prospects that may fit our core better especially considering we don’t know how Bert is going to play after that injury.
      May 5 at 10:49
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Gotta give something to get something. Bertuzzi is really good and makes this top 6 way better


      You're joking right? You trade a cost controlled top ten pick for 26 year old winger who has never scored more than 21 goals and you pay him 5X5.5? Awful trade
      May 5 at 3:01
      #16
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      Quoting: sedin33
      You're joking right? You trade a cost controlled top ten pick for 26 year old winger who has never scored more than 21 goals and you pay him 5X5.5? Awful trade


      Yeah I trade away an unknown quantity for a sure thing. Of course I do. Bertuzzi is obviously a top 6 Forward and brings more to the table than just scoring.

      Top 10 pick could be a Podkolzin or a hughes, but it could also be a Joulevi or a Virtanen. I’d rather get some security knowing that I will have a top 6 forward that Fits in the age of the current core
      May 5 at 3:35
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      Quoting: The_Rocket
      Yeah I trade away an unknown quantity for a sure thing. Of course I do. Bertuzzi is obviously a top 6 Forward and brings more to the table than just scoring.

      Top 10 pick could be a Podkolzin or a hughes, but it could also be a Joulevi or a Virtanen. I’d rather get some security knowing that I will have a top 6 forward that Fits in the age of the current core


      By your rational, the Canucks should have traded all their top ten picks for players who aren't all stars and won't be. Sorry, not going to agree on this one. In my mind, this is a brutal trade.
       
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