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Another attempt at Werenski

Created by: NHLfan10506
Initial Creation Date: May 6, 2021
Published: May 6 at 3:15
Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils
Team Explanation
Feedback was my last attempt was an overpay (https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2362864)

Last time, I had offered two picks along with Zacha and Siegenthaler.
This time, I changed one of the 1sts to Gritsyuk and conditional 3rd.

(Gritsyuk is one of my personal favorite prospects in NJD system...but his history with Chinahkov seemed like an easy link)
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
McCarthy, Case3$925,000
Pytlik, Jaromir3$815,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bastian, Nathan2$950,000
Cormier, Evan2$750,000
Greer, AJ1$750,000
Kuokkanen, Janne2$1,750,000
Mcleod, Michael2$1,350,000
Merkley, Nick1$750,000
Quenneville, David1$750,000
Senn, Gilles1$750,000
Sharangovich, Yegor6$4,500,000
Siegenthaler, Jonas2$1,250,000
Studenic, Marian2$750,000
White, Colton1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Larsson, Adam2$4,000,000
Murray, Ryan2$3,000,000
Wedgewood, Scott2$995,000
Zajac, Travis1$1,500,000
Coleman, Blake3$3,500,000
Trades
NJD
  1. Werenski, Zachary
Additional Details:
Zacha - A 2c for Columbus and the best available center from the Devils. Currently our leading scorer with 33 pts in 47 gp. Was picked two spots before Werenski in 2015 draft, so also 23 years old.

Siegenthaler - just a replacement d-man. Was recent acquisition from Capitals.

Gritsyuk - Chinakhov's linemate from last season in Russian juniors (Gritsyuk had 63 pts to Chinahkov's 69 pts) and one of Russia's leading producers at this year's world juniors despite missing two games with injury. Can play center or wing. Kind of a boom or bust prospect.

2021 1st round pick (NYI)

2023 3rd round pick (becomes 2nd if Werenski finishes in top-5 of Norris voting in 2022 or 2023).
CBJ
  1. Zacha, Pavel
  2. Siegenthaler, Jonas
  3. Gritsyuk, Arseni [Reserve List]
  4. 2021 1st round pick (NYI)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
    SEA
    1. Johnsson, Andreas
    Buyouts
    • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Will Butcher: $910,569 (24%)
    Recapture Fees
    • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    NJD
    NYI
    NJD
    NJD
    BUF
    NJD
    ARI
    2022
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    EDM
    NYI
    NJD
    CBJ
    NJD
    NJD
    2023
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$66,541,665$0$4,207,500$14,958,335
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NJD
    Kuokkanen, Janne
    $1,750,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Hughes, Jack
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Sharangovich, Yegor
    $4,500,000
    RW, LW, C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Foote, Nolan
    $863,333
    LW
    RFA - 3
    NJD
    Hischier, Nico
    $7,250,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    NJD
    Bratt, Jesper
    $2,750,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Coleman, Blake
    $3,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    NJD
    Boqvist, Jesper
    $925,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Holtz, Alexander
    $925,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 3
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $2,750,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Mcleod, Michael
    $1,350,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Bastian, Nathan
    $950,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    CBJ
    Werenski, Zachary
    $5,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Severson, Damon
    $4,166,666
    RD
    UFA - 2
    NJD
    Blackwood, Mackenzie
    $2,800,000
    G
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Smith, Ty
    $863,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Subban, P.K.
    $9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Wedgewood, Scott
    $995,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Murray, Ryan
    $3,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Larsson, Adam
    $4,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    NJD
    Bahl, Kevin
    $795,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Zajac, Travis
    $1,500,000
    C
    UFA
    NJD
    Butcher, Will
    $2,822,764
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    NJD
    Maltsev, Mikhail
    $809,167 ($0)
    LW
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Okhotyuk, Nikita
    $789,167 ($0)
    LD
    RFA - 3
    NJD
    Senn, Gilles
    $750,000 ($0)
    G
    RFA
    NJD
    Merkley, Nick
    $750,000 ($0)
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Thompson, Tyce
    $912,500 ($0)
    RW
    RFA - 1

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    May 6 at 3:23
    #1
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    Hischier straight up for Werenski
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    May 6 at 3:40
    #2
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    I mean, you're including Zacha as you say Hischier and Hughes are not available, but don't forget you're trading for a guy who's also likely not available. Siegenthaler is a depth defenseman, that Russian prospect is a big risk that likely doesn't hold much value and the first round pick belonged to a playoffs team.
    May 6 at 3:56
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    Quoting: SheaWeber6
    Hischier straight up for Werenski


    1st overall pick at 18
    1st line center at 19
    NHL all-star at 20
    Youngest captain in NHL at 21
    Signed for 7 more years
    Our strongest 2-way forward
    Member Swiss Armed Forces in off-season
    Speaks 4 languages
    And overall world beater,

    That Nico Hischier?
    He stays in Jersey
    May 6 at 3:56
    #4
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    You have to offer your own 1st + Zacha and Bahl for Werenski.
    May 6 at 4:01
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    I mean, you're including Zacha as you say Hischier and Hughes are not available, but don't forget you're trading for a guy who's also likely not available. Siegenthaler is a depth defenseman, that Russian prospect is a big risk that likely doesn't hold much value and the first round pick belonged to a playoffs team.


    That’s because Hughes and Hischier are not available.
    I would never fault anyone for asking though.

    If the Blue Jackets were confident enough to take Chinahkov in 1st round as overager, I think they would know enough about Gritsyuk. And wouldn’t think he has no value. Risk, sure. But has amazing upside.
    May 6 at 4:03
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    Isn't Zacha best suited as winger and not a C??
    I mean he has won 3 FO in last 5 games.
    May 6 at 4:06
    #7
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    What's the fascination with Werenski? He can be a UFA in two seasons.
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    May 6 at 4:07
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    Quoting: csick
    You have to offer your own 1st + Zacha and Bahl for Werenski.


    I thought about that.
    But a tad too much as both Bahl and that 1st could be top d-men for us.
    Maybe if we got one of their picks back.
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    May 6 at 4:08
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    Change the first to yours.
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    May 6 at 4:14
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    Quoting: Trickster
    Isn't Zacha best suited as winger and not a C??
    I mean he has won 3 FO in last 5 games.


    Very different player at wing and at center.
    More defensive role at center.
    A lot more offense from wing.
    But a lot of that is

    (A) difference between old system (Hynes) which used centers as basically 3rd d-men (triangles!) and new system (Ruff) which puts them into transition.

    (B) Devils have depth a center (Hughes, Hischier, Sharangovich, Boqvist, Kuokkanen, McLeod, Merkley and earlier, Zajac) so everyone other than top-two have played wing this year.

    It doesn’t mean he doesn’t play center.
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    May 6 at 4:14
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I thought about that.
    But a tad too much as both Bahl and that 1st could be top d-men for us.
    Maybe if we got one of their picks back.


    I think he’s close to Chabot but Chabot is signed longterm. Not a chance I’d accept this for Chabot. Even if you changed the Isles 1st to the Devils 1st. So I’m not sure it’s enough for Werenski
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    May 6 at 4:15
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    Quoting: Bdawwwgy1
    Change the first to yours.


    If it’s the top-5 1st, then Gritsyuk stays.
    And CBJ sends back a pick.
    May 6 at 4:18
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    Quoting: palhal
    What's the fascination with Werenski? He can be a UFA in two seasons.


    Look at the Devils defense.
    We have Smith, Severson and a bunch of “could be” guys.
    We need to add a top-4.
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    May 6 at 4:38
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Very different player at wing and at center.
    More defensive role at center.
    A lot more offense from wing.
    But a lot of that is

    (A) difference between old system (Hynes) which used centers as basically 3rd d-men (triangles!) and new system (Ruff) which puts them into transition.

    (B) Devils have depth a center (Hughes, Hischier, Sharangovich, Boqvist, Kuokkanen, McLeod, Merkley and earlier, Zajac) so everyone other than top-two have played wing this year.

    It doesn’t mean he doesn’t play center.


    I never said Zacha couldn't play C, I said isn't he a winger.

    If he was capable 2C, he would have more than 5 FO wins the last 5 games.
    May 6 at 4:40
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    Quoting: palhal
    What's the fascination with Werenski? He can be a UFA in two seasons.


    I actually really like Werenski.
    He has progressed well recently till he got injured

    I was especially impressed at playin.
    May 6 at 4:56
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    Quoting: Trickster
    I never said Zacha couldn't play C, I said isn't he a winger.

    If he was capable 2C, he would have more than 5 FO wins the last 5 games.


    He is capable at center.
    Just we have Hughes and Hischier in top-6.
    Boqvist been 3C recently.
    And McLeod at 4C most the year.
    More useful to us keeping Zacha in top-6 as winger.
    May 6 at 7:41
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    If it’s the top-5 1st, then Gritsyuk stays.
    And CBJ sends back a pick.


    Sorry, but you don't seriously think that's all fair right? Werenski led the league in goals last year for dmen, is still young and is gonna maybe be a Norris contender for years. Cbj would counter with texier, knazko, tampas first and our 3rd for Hischier
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    May 6 at 8:16
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    Quoting: Bdawwwgy1
    Sorry, but you don't seriously think that's all fair right? Werenski led the league in goals last year for dmen, is still young and is gonna maybe be a Norris contender for years. Cbj would counter with texier, knazko, tampas first and our 3rd for Hischier


    You asked to change from #23rd overall to #4 overall and I said leave out Gritsyuk in that scenario.
    Columbus would be getting Zacha, Siegenthaler, ~#4 overall and a 3rd / 2nd pick...

    I think that is sizable offer, no?
    May 7 at 10:08
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    1st overall pick at 18
    1st line center at 19
    NHL all-star at 20
    Youngest captain in NHL at 21
    Signed for 7 more years
    Our strongest 2-way forward
    Member Swiss Armed Forces in off-season
    Speaks 4 languages
    And overall world beater,

    That Nico Hischier?
    He stays in Jersey

    Then Werenski stays in Columbus. #1C or no deal.
    May 7 at 11:30
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    Quoting: Viqsi
    Then Werenski stays in Columbus. #1C or no deal.


    How many teams have a spare center that would qualify as a 1C?
    None
    May 7 at 12:27
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    How many teams have a spare center that would qualify as a 1C?
    None

    This argument is completely irrelevant because it assumes that a Werenski trade is a thing that has a significant possibility of happening.
    May 7 at 12:40
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    Quoting: Viqsi
    This argument is completely irrelevant because it assumes that a Werenski trade is a thing that has a significant possibility of happening.


    For this post...its a "thing"
    Just roll with it.

    If Zacha is best center available...and CBJ take Devils 1st pick this year...what else would Columbus need in that scenario?

    Zacha + 1st + ______?

    Defensive prospect? Another forward? Another pick?
    May 7 at 1:03
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    For this post...its a "thing"
    Just roll with it.

    No. Because if we're not getting the #1C we need, we're not trading Werenski. You can't just arbitrarily declare otherwise. Or, alternatively, if you're going to declare otherwise, then we get to acquire Hischier for whatever extra players we want to offer as well.

    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    If Zacha is best center available...and CBJ take Devils 1st pick this year...what else would Columbus need in that scenario?

    Zacha + 1st + ______?

    Defensive prospect? Another forward? Another pick?

    Hischier or Hughes, because no scenario in which Zacha is the best center available will be accepted, no matter what. This is non-negotiable.
    May 7 at 1:11
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    Quoting: Viqsi
    No. Because if we're not getting the #1C we need, we're not trading Werenski. You can't just arbitrarily declare otherwise. Or, alternatively, if you're going to declare otherwise, then we get to acquire Hischier for whatever extra players we want to offer as well.


    You can do that!
    Make a post about what a fair Werenski deal to Devils would be.
    You can say, "must include Hischier" or whatever declarations you'd like to make.


    Quoting: Viqsi
    Hischier or Hughes, because no scenario in which Zacha is the best center available will be accepted, no matter what. This is non-negotiable.


    Well, its better than the one guy who said Werenski starts at Hischier AND Hughes.
    May 7 at 1:31
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    You can do that!
    Make a post about what a fair Werenski deal to Devils would be.
    You can say, "must include Hischier" or whatever declarations you'd like to make.

    I have done so several times in this thread.
     
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