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If Seth Jarvis Wins a Spot in Camp

Created by: Hockyluv21
Initial Creation Date: May 4, 2021
Published: May 6 at 5:17
Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes
Team Explanation
Note: Sandin is not a serious ask. It can be negotiated downward. Any potential Nino trade package, however, would likely revolve around defensive prospects, as it is the one weakness in our system right now.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Svechnikov, Andrei3$6,700,000
Bean, Jake2$1,300,000
Geekie, Morgan2$950,000
Foegele, Warren4$2,580,000
Lajoie, Maxime1$750,000
Nedeljkovic, Alex5$3,800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hakanpää, Jani3$1,400,000
Hamilton, Dougie7$7,700,000
Mrázek, Petr3$4,000,000
Martinook, Jordan2$2,100,000
Trades
CAR
    Protected: Aho, Teravainen, Svechnikov, Trocheck, Staal, Niederreiter, Foegele, Slavin, Pesce, Bean, Nedeljkovic
    SEA
    1. Skjei, Brady
    CAR
    1. 2021 6th round pick (PIT)
    EDM
      Rights to LW Brock McGinn and C Cedric Paquette. Oilers sign McGinn to 3 years/$2.5M AAV and Paquette to 2 years/$1.7M AAV before the entry draft.
      CAR
      1. Kerfoot, Alexander
      2. Sandin, Rasmus
      3. 2023 7th round pick (TOR)
      Additional Details:
      Not a cap space move; completed during training camp after Jarvis wins a spot.
      TOR
      1. Niederreiter, Nino
      2. 2022 6th round pick (ANA)
      Additional Details:
      Leafs re-sign Niederreiter for 4 years, $6M AAV.
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2021
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      PIT
      CAR
      LAK
      STL
      2022
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CBJ
      2023
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      CAR
      TOR
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
      23$81,500,000$78,137,333$0$1,462,500$3,362,667
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
      TOR
      Kerfoot, Alexander
      $3,500,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Aho, Sebastian
      $8,460,250
      C, LW
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Teräväinen, Teuvo
      $5,400,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Svechnikov, Andrei
      $6,700,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      CAR
      Trocheck, Vincent
      $4,750,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      CAR
      Necas, Martin
      $863,333
      RW, C
      RFA - 1
      CAR
      Foegele, Warren
      $2,580,000
      LW, RW
      RFA
      CAR
      Staal, Jordan
      $6,000,000
      C, LW
      NMC
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Geekie, Morgan
      $950,000
      C, RW
      RFA
      CAR
      Martinook, Jordan
      $2,100,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA
      CAR
      Lorentz, Steven
      $725,000
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
      CAR
      Fast, Jesper
      $2,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Cotton, David
      $858,750
      C
      RFA - 1
      CAR
      Jarvis, Seth
      $925,000
      RW
      RFA - 2
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      CAR
      Slavin, Jaccob
      $5,300,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 4
      CAR
      Hamilton, Dougie
      $7,700,000
      RD
      UFA
      CAR
      Nedeljkovic, Alex
      $3,800,000
      G
      RFA
      CAR
      Bean, Jake
      $1,300,000
      LD
      RFA
      CAR
      Pesce, Brett
      $4,025,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
      CAR
      Mrázek, Petr
      $4,000,000
      G
      UFA
      CAR
      Gardiner, Jake
      $4,050,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      CAR
      Hakanpää, Jani
      $1,400,000
      RD
      UFA
      CAR
      Lajoie, Maxime
      $750,000
      LD
      RFA

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      May 6 at 5:20
      #1
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      Oilers pass maybe another team would be interested in them.
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      May 6 at 5:21
      #2
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      Quoting: Timmah007
      Oilers pass maybe another team would be interested in them.


      Fair. It's just a guess as to where these guys will go. Looking at the roster, both seem like good fits for the Oil. I think that you guys would really like both guys, particularly McGinn. Link: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2377259
      May 6 at 5:22
      #3
      MisstheWhalers
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      Leafs aren't trading Sandin.. Lol
      May 6 at 5:24
      #4
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      Quoting: MisstheWhalers
      Leafs aren't trading Sandin.. Lol


      I know it's a reach, LOL, but any potential deal with Nino likely involves a defensive prospect. Talk about Sandin, settle for Liljegren or a package of a couple of guys like, say, Niemela and Koster.
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      May 6 at 5:24
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      I like Niederreiter, but the ask of Sandin, as well as a $6m cap hit, lead me to say 'Hell no'.
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      May 6 at 5:25
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Fair. It's just a guess as to where these guys will go. Looking at the roster, both seem like good fits for the Oil.


      I don’t see a spot for them with oilers next year nothing against them both are useful players and selling rights for very cheap be great for someone
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      May 6 at 5:26
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      Edited May 6 at 5:32
      Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
      I like Niederreiter, but the ask of Sandin, as well as a $6m cap hit, lead me to say 'Hell no'.


      LOL, don't take the Sandin ask too seriously. It's just a high proposed asking price to negotiate about. I was actually thinking about Liljegren as the guy that the Leafs and Canes would eventually agree on. If part of a larger package, Niemela interests me, as well.

      Also, Nino's current hit is $5.25M/year and (when playing like this) well worth it. $6M is only a $750K increase from that.
      May 6 at 5:44
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      I know it's a reach, LOL, but any potential deal with Nino likely involves a defensive prospect. Talk about Sandin, settle for Liljegren or a package of a couple of guys like, say, Niemela and Koster.


      I would take a package of Niemela and Koster over Sandin.
      People will disagree, but Koster is one of the more underrated prospects out there. Doesn’t matter if he was 5’7” in his draft year. He will run an NHL pp someday.

      Just my two cents.
      May 6 at 5:51
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      Those guys are much more agreeable, lol (though I personally am in love with Niemela).

      I'm aware of Nino's cap situation, and while I do think $6m is an overpayment, it's a moot point anyways because it's not a matter of pocket change for the Leafs. It would be very difficult to fit him under the cap without a significant discount or moving out a major roster player. Would be cool to have him, but I don't think it's in the cards.
      May 6 at 5:52
      #10
      NHL Trade Inspector
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      I like Nino but meh I dont see how we can make it work

      we got some big names to resign (Hyman, Rielly, Sandin, etc)

      In general Leafs have so many forwards including prospects that I dont see them adding anymore

      like next year the only thing I could see happen is Bozak returning just to be a filler until, Steeves, Abramov or whoever is ready to take over at 3c spot
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      May 6 at 5:54
      #11
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      I know it's a reach, LOL, but any potential deal with Nino likely involves a defensive prospect. Talk about Sandin, settle for Liljegren or a package of a couple of guys like, say, Niemela and Koster.


      Leafs would not interested in this.
      All of the prospects you mentioned are highly valued by the Leafs.

      Nino has been a under 40 point player per year for the last 5 seasons.
      Dont see that changing.

      I dont think he has this kind of value and 6 million AAV, hell no.
      May 6 at 5:55
      #12
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      I know it's a reach, LOL, but any potential deal with Nino likely involves a defensive prospect. Talk about Sandin, settle for Liljegren or a package of a couple of guys like, say, Niemela and Koster.


      Leafs don't need Niederreiter or a top 6 forward that cost that much next season (in terms of trade value or contract). They'll re-sign Hyman for one of the spots and either bring back Galchenyuk or someone else on a lower end deal until Robertson is ready. They're not throwing their top prospect/young player for a middle 6 winger. Toronto wouldn't move any of those defensive prospects for a winger. You're best to just try a different team. Toronto and Carolina don't match up well for a deal like that
      May 6 at 6:06
      #13
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      Quoting: aadoyle
      I like Nino but meh I dont see how we can make it work

      we got some big names to resign (Hyman, Rielly, Sandin, etc)

      In general Leafs have so many forwards including prospects that I dont see them adding anymore

      like next year the only thing I could see happen is Bozak returning just to be a filler until, Steeves, Abramov or whoever is ready to take over at 3c spot


      I thought of the Nino deal as good option in the possibility that Hyman walks, actually. And remember, Nino's current cap hit is $5.25M, and his current play, at least IMO, warrants a small raise in the UFA market.
      May 6 at 6:07
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      Thats a really bad deal for Toronto
      May 6 at 6:08
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      Quoting: TrueCanuck
      Leafs don't need Niederreiter or a top 6 forward that cost that much next season (in terms of trade value or contract). They'll re-sign Hyman for one of the spots and either bring back Galchenyuk or someone else on a lower end deal until Robertson is ready. They're not throwing their top prospect/young player for a middle 6 winger. Toronto wouldn't move any of those defensive prospects for a winger. You're best to just try a different team. Toronto and Carolina don't match up well for a deal like that


      I was thinking that Hyman would walk for a team like Detroit that would pay him a fortune.
      May 6 at 6:09
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      Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
      Thats a really bad deal for Toronto


      The more realistic deal has Liljegren, not Sandin, in it.
      May 6 at 6:11
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      The more realistic deal has Liljegren, not Sandin, in it.


      i guess, tbh Nino is a solid middle 6 guy but trade value wise he's pretty similar to Kerfoot
      May 6 at 6:21
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      Quoting: Trickster
      Leafs would not interested in this.
      All of the prospects you mentioned are highly valued by the Leafs.

      Nino has been a under 40 point player per year for the last 5 seasons.
      Dont see that changing.

      I dont think he has this kind of value and 6 million AAV, hell no.


      Uhh...Nino has 20 goals and is almost at 40 points this year...in 53 games. Other than one snakebitten off-year, he's been excellent in Carolina, and would no-doubt be excellent in Toronto, too.
      May 6 at 6:41
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Uhh...Nino has 20 goals and is almost at 40 points this year...in 53 games. Other than one snakebitten off-year, he's been excellent in Carolina, and would no-doubt be excellent in Toronto, too.


      The last time had 40 points was 2016.
      Keep him in Carolina if hes so good.
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      May 6 at 6:45
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      Quoting: Timmah007
      Oilers pass maybe another team would be interested in them.


      I think McGinn would be a fine addition to many teams including the oilers.
      May 6 at 6:50
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      I was thinking that Hyman would walk for a team like Detroit that would pay him a fortune.


      Hyman loves it in Toronto. Grew up a life long Leaf fan. Leafs management loves him, teammates love him. He was Dubas' first trade. I wouldn't be shocked if they already have a handshake agreement done but are waiting for the expansion draft to be over before they announce it.

      Bottom line: Hyman's 99% not going anywhere
      May 6 at 7:02
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      I’m just here for the angry Leafs fans 🍿
      May 6 at 7:02
      #23
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      Quoting: Trickster
      The last time had 40 points was 2016.
      Keep him in Carolina if hes so good.


      Um, Nino had 53 points in the 2018-2019 season...What do you even mean? LOL.

      Also, Nino won't be dealt if Jarvis isn't NHL-ready next season (and he likely won't be). We have the cap space to keep him.
      May 6 at 7:16
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      Quoting: pharrow
      I think McGinn would be a fine addition to many teams including the oilers.

      Don’t see Holland adding much to bottom six from outside organization maybe a right handed centre.
      May 6 at 11:54
      #25
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Um, Nino had 53 points in the 2018-2019 season...What do you even mean? LOL.

      Also, Nino won't be dealt if Jarvis isn't NHL-ready next season (and he likely won't be). We have the cap space to keep him.


      Ah missed that.
      Good catch, still have zero interest from Leafs.
       
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