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M Tkachuk and Hamilton

Created by: Erkadurk347
Initial Creation Date: May 8, 2021
Published: May 8 at 4:32
Team: 2022-23 New Jersey Devils
Team Explanation
Hamilton signs a two year 14 million dollar deal in 2021 offseason.
This trade happens if Zacha develops into a 60-65 point guy and a 25 goal scorer. If he doesn’t then the Devils will have to add more.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bastian, Nathan2$1,500,000
Bratt, Jesper5$5,000,000
Hughes, Jack2$7,000,000
Mcleod, Michael2$2,000,000
Kuokkanen, Janne3$2,500,000
Sharangovich, Yegor3$2,750,000
Thompson, Tyce2$1,750,000
Wood, Miles3$3,000,000
Merkley, Nick1$1,000,000
Tkachuk, Matthew7$7,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hamilton, Dougie1$14,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Power, Owen3$925,000
Schmidt, Roman3$925,000
Trades
NJD
    SEA
    1. Johnsson, Andreas
    NJD
    1. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
    CGY
    1. Zacha, Pavel [RFA Rights]
    2. Mukhamadullin, Shakir [Reserve List]
    3. Boqvist, Jesper [RFA Rights]
    4. McCarthy, Case [Reserve List]
    5. Maltsev, Mikhail [RFA Rights]
    6. Schmid, Akira [Reserve List]
    7. Siegenthaler, Jonas [RFA Rights]
    8. 2023 1st round pick (NJD)
    Additional Details:
    Trade completed in 2022 offseason.
    Pick is lottery protected.
    Buyouts
    • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
    Recapture Fees
    • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    NJD
    NYI
    NYI
    NJD
    NJD
    BUF
    NJD
    ARI
    2022
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    EDM
    NYI
    NJD
    CBJ
    NJD
    NJD
    2023
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    NJD
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    25$81,500,000$74,134,998$0$1,980,000$7,365,002
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    $7,500,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    NJD
    Hughes, Jack
    $7,000,000
    C
    RFA
    NJD
    Holtz, Alexander
    $925,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Bratt, Jesper
    $5,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    NJD
    Hischier, Nico
    $7,250,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    NJD
    Foote, Nolan
    $863,333
    LW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Kuokkanen, Janne
    $2,500,000
    LW, C
    RFA
    NJD
    Mercer, Dawson
    $894,167
    RW
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Sharangovich, Yegor
    $2,750,000
    RW, LW, C
    RFA
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $3,000,000
    LW
    RFA
    NJD
    Mcleod, Michael
    $2,000,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Bastian, Nathan
    $1,500,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Power, Owen
    $925,000
    Hamilton, Dougie
    $14,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    NJD
    Blackwood, Mackenzie
    $2,800,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Smith, Ty
    $863,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Severson, Damon
    $4,166,666
    RD
    UFA - 1
    NJD
    Daws, Nico
    $850,833
    G
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Bahl, Kevin
    $795,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Walsh, Reilly
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    NJD
    Vukojevic, Michael
    $850,833
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Schmidt, Roman
    $925,000
    NJD
    Clarke, Graeme
    $850,833
    RW, C
    RFA - 2
    NJD
    Thompson, Tyce
    $1,750,000
    RW
    RFA
    NJD
    Merkley, Nick
    $1,000,000
    RW, C
    RFA

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    May 8 at 4:38
    #1
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    Huh?
    May 8 at 4:50
    #2
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    that might get you tkachuk's left skate, but only for 3 games
    May 8 at 5:03
    #3
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    that might get you tkachuk's left skate, but only for 3 games


    ?

    Zacha has as many points as Mtkachuk this year
    20th overall pick in an excellent draft
    Another likely mid 1st rounder
    Boqvist is valuable
    Maltsev has value

    How on earth does that only get you "left skate 3g"

    🤨

    And I think Mtkachuk is an elite W myself
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    May 8 at 5:05
    #4
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    As usual a pretty good AGM here gets dismissed

    By people who barely research their opinions

    Or disingenuously exaggerate grey areas 😑
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    May 8 at 5:07
    #5
    Vegan Commie Hipster
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    I really like the big $ short term strategy for elites

    Dougie is best in a small market too

    Cool beans 👍
    May 8 at 7:32
    #6
    Joined: May 2019
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    The Devils would be giving up
    (a) Our 1LW and leading scorer in Zacha (~60 pt pace in full schedule)
    (b) Mukhamadullin: The NHL's 38th ranked prospect (and 10th best LHD)
    (c) Boqvist: Our current 3C with very high ceiling
    (d) McCarthy: our 2nd best RHD prospect behind Walsh
    (e) Maltsev: An NHL bottom-six player
    (f) Schmid: The current leader in USHL in both Save % and GAA
    (g) Siegenthaler: A future #4 or #5 LHD
    (h) 2023 1st round pick

    That is too many pieces. I would give fewer, but better pieces.
    I'd think it would be more like:

    One of - Zacha, Kuokkanen or Wood (LW replacement)
    One of - Holtz, Mercer, Foote, Mukhamadullin, Bahl (A-rated prospects)
    One of - Boqvist, Maltsev, McCarthy, or similar (B level prospect or young player)
    One of - 2021 1st, 2022 1st or 2023 1st
    One of - 2023 3rd or 2024 3rd that could turn into 1st or 2nd based on conditions.
    May 8 at 8:28
    #7
    Joined: Nov 2017
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    If that's what tkachuk signs for, Calgary keeps him. That offer isn't exactly overwhelming

    It's if he gets into the 9.5 million range that they might look to move him.
    May 8 at 9:06
    #8
    Jack Hughes is Elite
    Joined: Nov 2017
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    Too much for M Tkachuk

    Also a reminder to Flames fans
    51 games, 34 points for Tkachuk
    48 games, 34 games for Zacha

    Adding all of those players on top of it is an overpayment by NJ
    May 8 at 9:16
    #9
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    Edited May 8 at 10:21
    No one is giving Hamilton 2 x 14
    May 8 at 9:25
    #10
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    As an oiler fan who admitted did want to draft that piece of **** that belongs to Calgary will admit comparing his offence to zacha isn’t even comparing half of his game the physical and nastiness he brings and he is that rare breed of instant leader I hate him for all the reasons everyone should want him this offer wouldn’t get it done it’s got some quality in it but nothing that Calgary would see as even remotely close to a difference maker for the organization.
    May 8 at 10:11
    #11
    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    This trade was done previous to the 22/23....when Tzachuk is just one year away from UFA. As a result I think it's a big overpayment by New Jersey.
    Next summer, imagine (and it is isn't hard to imagine) that the Flames finish out of the playoffs.....What is Tzachuk's mindset about staying in Calgary, and even the Flames mindset about a necessary rebuild/reboot?
    May 8 at 11:25
    #12
    Go Wings Go
    Joined: Jun 2016
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    Hamilton isn't wasting his time on a 1-2 year deal in NJ Zacha ever becoming a 60-65 point Center he hasn't shown us yet of ever even coming close to those numbers. LMAO giving Jack Hughes $7 million he hasn't even broken the 40 point barrier yet.
    May 8 at 12:14
    #13
    Thread Starter
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    Quoting: ecupirate07
    No one is giving Hamilton 2 x 14


    I just did. That’s why he accepts
    May 8 at 12:16
    #14
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    that might get you tkachuk's left skate, but only for 3 games


    Ur really funny man. Say another joke please😐
    May 8 at 1:18
    #15
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    Flames decline, Tkachuk is untouchable
    May 8 at 11:03
    #16
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    Quoting: Radu47
    ?

    Zacha has as many points as Mtkachuk this year
    20th overall pick in an excellent draft
    Another likely mid 1st rounder
    Boqvist is valuable
    Maltsev has value

    How on earth does that only get you "left skate 3g"

    🤨

    And I think Mtkachuk is an elite W myself

    Quoting: Erkadurk347
    Ur really funny man. Say another joke please😐

    Tkachuk is having what is probably going to be the worst offensive season he has for the next decade and is a severe regression from the last 3 years, and you think that because Zacha can match that down year while he is having a career high points pace means they are on any level equal? Not to mention tkachuk’s leadership (he will be the captain in the near future), defensive game, physicality, ability to aggravate and draw penalties, etc. The 20th overall in a good draft only means anything if it was a good pick, everyone thought mukham shoulda gone in the mid- to late-2nd at best, and hindsight hasn’t changed that. A collection of B tier and C tier prospects don’t move the needle at all for an elite winger, quality>quantity for these types of trades, obviously. A 1st 2 years out also means fairly little, that could be 1st or it could be 32nd so there’s no way to ascertain if that has value, and you want quality value now if you’re going to consider moving a guy who is a top 15 winger in the league.
    May 9 at 1:03
    #17
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    Tkachuk is having what is probably going to be the worst offensive season he has for the next decade and is a severe regression from the last 3 years, and you think that because Zacha can match that down year while he is having a career high points pace means they are on any level equal? Not to mention tkachuk’s leadership (he will be the captain in the near future), defensive game, physicality, ability to aggravate and draw penalties, etc. The 20th overall in a good draft only means anything if it was a good pick, everyone thought mukham shoulda gone in the mid- to late-2nd at best, and hindsight hasn’t changed that. A collection of B tier and C tier prospects don’t move the needle at all for an elite winger, quality>quantity for these types of trades, obviously. A 1st 2 years out also means fairly little, that could be 1st or it could be 32nd so there’s no way to ascertain if that has value, and you want quality value now if you’re going to consider moving a guy who is a top 15 winger in the league.


    I never said that. That was other people who said that. I added more in the trade. All I did was saying that ur joke wasn’t funny bc it wasn’t🤷‍♂️. All of what I put in the trade is worth a tad bit more than four firsts.
    May 9 at 3:45
    #18
    Opie
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    Quoting: FlamesFan19
    Flames decline, Tkachuk is untouchable


    I would be shocked if he was not. Saying that, it would be fun to see him in the same division as Wilson. He'd poke that bear into a full on career ending implosion.
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