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Much better depth

Created by: Bluetomorrow83
Initial Creation Date: May 5, 2021
Published: May 8 at 4:19
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
Neal dump mimicking Backes to ANA.

Killorn deal similar to Schmidt as TBL in same crunch as VGK. Could be changed to 3rd/4th in 2022 depending on the NJD conditions.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Shore, Devin1$800,000
Yamamoto, Kailer2$2,500,000
Khaira, Jujhar1$1,200,000
Kahun, Dominik1$1,200,000
Benson, Tyler1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Larsson, Adam3$3,500,000
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan5$6,500,000
Smith, Mike1$1,500,000
Coleman, Blake4$3,500,000
McCabe, Jake2$3,500,000
Mrázek, Petr3$3,500,000
Trades
EDM
  1. Wood, Miles
NJD
  1. Samorukov, Dmitri
  2. Neal, James ($750,000 retained)
  3. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
    SEA
    1. Jones, Caleb
    EDM
    1. Killorn, Alex
    TBL
    1. Stalock, Alex
    2. 2023 4th round pick (EDM)
    Buyouts
    • Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000
    • Mikko Koskinen: $1,500,000
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • James Neal: $750,000 (13.04%)
    • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
    Buried
    • Kyle Turris: $525,000 ($1,650,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    EDM
    EDM
    PIT
    EDM
    2022
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    2023
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    EDM
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$78,866,839$669,339$1,307,500$2,633,161
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    TBL
    Killorn, Alex
    $4,450,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    EDM
    Puljujärvi, Jesse
    $1,175,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $6,500,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    EDM
    Draisaitl, Leon
    $8,500,000
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    EDM
    Yamamoto, Kailer
    $2,500,000
    RW, C
    RFA
    NJD
    Wood, Miles
    $2,750,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Holloway, Dylan
    $925,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA - 3
    Coleman, Blake
    $3,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA
    EDM
    Archibald, Josh
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    McLeod, Ryan
    $834,167
    C
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Kassian, Zack
    $3,200,000
    RW
    UFA - 3
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    EDM
    Nurse, Darnell
    $5,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Bear, Ethan
    $2,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Mrázek, Petr
    $3,500,000
    G
    UFA
    McCabe, Jake
    $3,500,000
    LD
    UFA
    EDM
    Larsson, Adam
    $3,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    EDM
    Smith, Mike
    $1,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Lagesson, William
    $725,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    EDM
    Bouchard, Evan
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    EDM
    Russell, Kris
    $1,250,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    Klefbom, Oscar
    $4,167,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    EDM
    Kahun, Dominik
    $1,200,000
    LW, RW, C
    RFA
    EDM
    Khaira, Jujhar
    $1,200,000
    C, LW
    RFA

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    May 8 at 4:22
    #1
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    Hard no from NJ. It’s gonna cost the oilers a first to move Neal. Plus an extra mid to late first plus a b level prospect. Definitely a no from the Devils.
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    May 8 at 4:22
    #2
    Jack Hughes is Elite
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    Take out Wood and the Devils accept
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    May 8 at 4:26
    #3
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    Quoting: Erkadurk347
    Hard no from NJ. It’s gonna cost the oilers a first to move Neal. Plus an extra mid to late first plus a b level prospect. Definitely a no from the Devils.


    Yet, Backes who is worse then Neal was in a trade similar to this so I'll stick with NHL actual historic values. Backes (retained), B prospect, and late first for Kase (who was better then Wood at the time of the trade).
    May 8 at 4:27
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    this would be a horrible deal for NJ. We can get a top 4 dman elsewhere for Wood
    May 8 at 4:29
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    this would be a horrible deal for NJ. We can get a top 4 dman elsewhere for Wood


    lol Dreaming if you think Wood is worth a top 4 Dman
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    May 8 at 4:32
    #6
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    lol Dreaming if you think Wood is worth a top 4 Dman


    If Wood was on the Oilers, he would be 3rd in goals.

    Not to mention, he's on a worse team and is getting 4th line minutes.
    May 8 at 4:33
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    lol Dreaming if you think Wood is worth a top 4 Dman


    We could realistically get someone like Dumba for Wood and a 2nd/3rd
    May 8 at 4:35
    #8
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    And what are u offering in this trade. Some crappy d prospect, a washed up scrub with a heavy cap, and a 1st rd pick in the worst draft in recent history. Wow, what a great trade
    May 8 at 4:35
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    If Wood was on the Oilers, he would be 3rd in goals.

    Not to mention, he's on a worse team and is getting 4th kind minutes.


    He is shooting like double his last 2 years SH% that will come back down. Are you saying he is on a much worse team and still getting 4th line minutes? Seems like a weird way to show a players value lol
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    May 8 at 4:37
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    He is shooting like double his last 2 years SH% that will come back down. Are you saying he is on a much worse team and still getting 4th line minutes? Seems like a weird way to show a players value lol


    He's playing on our 4th line and has 17 goals. Think thats pretty good
    May 8 at 4:37
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    We could realistically get someone like Dumba for Wood and a 2nd/3rd


    No you wouldn't. Try Wood, Prospect and NYI first for Dumba. Wood is a 3rd liner with a well above his average SH% this year
    May 8 at 4:39
    #12
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    He is shooting like double his last 2 years SH% that will come back down. Are you saying he is on a much worse team and still getting 4th line minutes? Seems like a weird way to show a players value lol


    His shooting percentage is double is because he got a new trainer this offseason and has been working on his shot. He's on the 4th line because of chemistry. He's not on a team with Connor McDavid or Leon Draisaitl. Just showing how effective he is with less minutes and worse players around him
    May 8 at 4:41
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    And what are u offering in this trade. Some crappy d prospect, a washed up scrub with a heavy cap, and a 1st rd pick in the worst draft in recent history. Wow, what a great trade


    Offering the same value then the Ducks got in the Backes trade. If you think Samo is a ****ty D prospect when NJD have like the weakest D prospect pool in the league then enjoy the basement for a long time
    May 8 at 4:46
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    Offering the same value then the Ducks got in the Backes trade. If you think Samo is a ****ty D prospect when NJD have like the weakest D prospect pool in the league then enjoy the basement for a long time


    Well that was a garbage trade for ANA. Any deal for Wood would have to include a top 4 dman or a package for a top 6 forward
    May 8 at 5:06
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    make it your 2022 1st and NJ accepts
    May 8 at 5:20
    #16
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    Yet, Backes who is worse then Neal was in a trade similar to this so I'll stick with NHL actual historic values. Backes (retained), B prospect, and late first for Kase (who was better then Wood at the time of the trade).


    Different cap environment. The flat cap and teams not planning for it increased the value of cap space...

    Otherwise I'd agree with your argument.
    May 8 at 8:16
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    Offering the same value then the Ducks got in the Backes trade.


    Backes deal is not the comp to use.
    Backes had 1.3 years left - and Bruins retained more salary. Ducks had to take $1.5m in cap for 2019-20 and $4.5m for 2020-21. So they got a 1st pick for ~$6m in cap.
    Similar to Marleau deal.
    Kase was returned for Axel Andersson.
    Wood is better than Kase, while Axel and Samorukov are comparable.

    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    If you think Samo is a ****ty D prospect when NJD have like the weakest D prospect pool in the league then enjoy the basement for a long time


    Samorukov is a fringe prospect and the Devils have numerous d-men that are more promising

    Bahl
    Mukhamadullin
    Walsh
    Okhotyuk
    Edwards

    Samo is probably on par with Misyul and Vukojevich.

    I'd think to make the Backes deal comparable....it would have to look like this:

    Neal, $2.75 million retained ($6 million total over two years)
    Samorukov
    2021 1st pick

    for

    Andres Johnsson
    May 8 at 8:52
    #18
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    Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
    Yet, Backes who is worse then Neal was in a trade similar to this so I'll stick with NHL actual historic values. Backes (retained), B prospect, and late first for Kase (who was better then Wood at the time of the trade).


    It's a different cap environment and I believe Kase was seen as injury prone at the time as well. I don't think that his value at the time is as high as Wood's value is now. Wood also has a leadership role on the team so I don't see NJ giving him the same value that Kase had with the Ducks.
    May 9 at 1:18
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    Neal's playing better now that he's recovering from Covid. It hit him really hard before camp and he couldn't get back in shape. If you did want to get rid of his contract a buyout is 1.9 mil, and won't cost a 1st. and if it does I'd pass. Samorukov is a highly regarded prospect and I wouldn't trade him to dump 2 years of a bad contract. People who are saying he's a fringe prospect have never seen him play, he'll be in the NHL in 2 years and will be a second pairing anchor in 4.
     
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