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Created by: pavelisgoat
Team: 2021-22 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 8, 2021
Published: May 8, 2021
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Like to get a little crazy sometimes. Obviously wouldn't happen and I would not support it, but exploring the Eichel option since Detroit does have a big need at C.
How high does the VAN pick need to be? I know ppl will say Seider and Raymond - I wouldn't trade Seider 1 for 1 with Eichel at this point, and Raymond I wouldn't want to add that much so wouldn't make sense.
Future LS D: Hughes, Wallinder, Johansson (and Werenski) to pair with Seider, Hronek and Lindstrom
Free Agent Signings
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2$2,000,000
3$4,500,000
2$1,000,000
2$2,000,000
2$1,000,000
6$5,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
1$3,000,000
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Hughes, Luke
3$925,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. DiPietro, Michael
  2. Eriksson, Loui
  3. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (VGK)
2.
DET
  1. Eichel, Jack
Additional Details:
Maybe it's quantity over quality, but it is a lot of quantity
(Cholowski and Svechnikov 1st rd picks, other 3 are 2nd rounders)
BUF
  1. Berggren, Jonatan [Reserve List]
  2. Cholowski, Dennis [RFA Rights]
  3. McIsaac, Jared
  4. Niederbach, Theodor [Reserve List]
  5. Svechnikov, Evgeny [RFA Rights]
  6. 2021 1st round pick (WSH)
  7. 2021 1st round pick (VAN)
  8. 2021 2nd round pick (NYR)
  9. 2022 1st round pick (DET)
3.
Buyouts
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2021
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2022
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2023
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23$81,500,000$70,218,890$0$4,551,250$11,281,110
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$318,750$319K)
C
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, C
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$3,600,000$3,600,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
RFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$811,667$811,667 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
G
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Hughes, Luke
$925,000$925,000
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$733,333$733,333 ($0$0$0$0)
G
UFA - 1

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May 8, 2021 at 11:37 p.m.
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A pile of crap and a few first round picks in a low rated draft doesn’t move the needle, especially to a team within the same division. If you can’t part with your Best prospects you’re not getting Jack Eichel, and that’s the end of it.
May 8, 2021 at 11:47 p.m.
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LMAO not enough quality for Jack Eichel, And we're not trading Bertuzzi for a smallish goalie and a cap dump in Eriksson and Benning isn't surrendering his 2021 1st round pick.
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May 8, 2021 at 11:50 p.m.
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Look you admit this is nonrealistic which is true but also I think BUF gets a better offer then that.

I doubt VAN want to move this years first due to how high it could be, they also don't need to move Ericksson that bad.
May 8, 2021 at 11:51 p.m.
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Sure dude, Too bad we're not a Jack Eichel away from being serious cup contenders. With these moves you just set back our rebuild another 5 years or so.
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May 8, 2021 at 11:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
A pile of crap and a few first round picks in a low rated draft doesn’t move the needle, especially to a team within the same division. If you can’t part with your Best prospects you’re not getting Jack Eichel, and that’s the end of it.


What is the desired return? Looking instead for Raymond and a first? Hockey deal like Laine and a first isn't really possible on Detroit. These prospects are far from a pile of crap though.
Berggren - drafted 33rd in 2018, 7th in SHL scoring this season
McIsaac - drafted 36th overall in 2018, has dealt with injuries over past 2 seasons but is finally back playing again. Potential for middle pair d-man
Niederbach - drafted 51st overall in 2020, too early to know but played well at WJC
Svechnikov and Cholowski are 1st rounders that are kind of reclamation projects
Top 10 pick, Top 30 pick, Top 50 pick in this year's draft and unprotected next season pick.
Like I said, quantity, but not crap.
May 8, 2021 at 11:57 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
LMAO not enough quality for Jack Eichel, And we're not trading Bertuzzi for a smallish goalie and a cap dump in Eriksson and Benning isn't surrendering his 2021 1st round pick.


Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Sure dude, Too bad we're not a Jack Eichel away from being serious cup contenders. With these moves you just set back our rebuild another 5 years or so.


Not sure why you need to comment twice? lol. Eichel is seriously overrated at this point. But yeah just read description mate.
May 9, 2021 at 12:03 a.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
A pile of crap and a few first round picks in a low rated draft doesn’t move the needle, especially to a team within the same division. If you can’t part with your Best prospects you’re not getting Jack Eichel, and that’s the end of it.


It's hardly a pile of crap, But i do agree it's not the right pieces Buffalo would want.
May 9, 2021 at 12:15 a.m.
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It's pretty slick to equate Evgeny Svechnikov, who's passed unclaimed through waivers, to a 1st-round pick because of when he was drafted
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May 9, 2021 at 12:18 a.m.
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It's pretty slick to equate Evgeny Svechnikov, who's passed unclaimed through waivers, to a 1st-round pick because of when he was drafted


That’s not at all how that is meant and I don’t think it reads that way. Purely saying Cholo and Svech were drafted in the first round and the other 3 drafted in the 2nd round. I referred to him as a reclamation project in an above comment
May 9, 2021 at 12:37 a.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
It's hardly a pile of crap, But i do agree it's not the right pieces Buffalo would want.

That’s a more diplomatic statement than the one I made. However a pile of prospects the Sabres don’t have a use for
does not equate a franchise center. Especially not one Who is 24 years old with a long-term contract in place.
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What is the desired return? Looking instead for Raymond and a first? Hockey deal like Laine and a first isn't really possible on Detroit. These prospects are far from a pile of crap though.
Berggren - drafted 33rd in 2018, 7th in SHL scoring this season
McIsaac - drafted 36th overall in 2018, has dealt with injuries over past 2 seasons but is finally back playing again. Potential for middle pair d-man
Niederbach - drafted 51st overall in 2020, too early to know but played well at WJC
Svechnikov and Cholowski are 1st rounders that are kind of reclamation projects
Top 10 pick, Top 30 pick, Top 50 pick in this year's draft and unprotected next season pick.
Like I said, quantity, but not crap.

The desired return for Jack Eichel would essentially be another Jack Eichel. The best the Red Wings could hope to do would be Dylan Larkin. But Jack Eichel is better than Dylan Larkin, at least when he is fully healthy like last season. Jack Eichel was in the Hart trophy conversation, Dylan Larkin has never been. Translation: the Red Wings do not have the pieces the Sabres would want in return for Jack Eichel. A hockey trade is pretty much what the Sabres would be asking for. A pile of prospects and first round picks wouldn’t appeal to the Fanbase all that much. They have been spinning their wheels for a decade and the fans are tired of rebuilding over and over again. A trade that signifies the beginning of another rebuild would simply mean that no one is buying tickets.
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May 9, 2021 at 12:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Tjm220
That’s a more diplomatic statement than the one I made. However a pile of prospects the Sabres don’t have a use for
does not equate a franchise center. Especially not one Who is 24 years old with a long-term contract in place.

The desired return for Jack Eichel would essentially be another Jack Eichel. The best the Red Wings could hope to do would be Dylan Larkin. But Jack Eichel is better than Dylan Larkin, at least when he is fully healthy like last season. Jack Eichel was in the Hart trophy conversation, Dylan Larkin has never been. Translation: the Red Wings do not have the pieces the Sabres would want in return for Jack Eichel. A hockey trade is pretty much what the Sabres would be asking for. A pile of prospects and first round picks wouldn’t appeal to the Fanbase all that much. They have been spinning their wheels for a decade and the fans are tired of rebuilding over and over again. A trade that signifies the beginning of another rebuild would simply mean that no one is buying tickets.


Sabres shouldn’t trade Eichel then I guess haha. Fan base may not want it, but their current makeup isn’t good enough so if you swap Eichel for another Eichel, I’m not sure what the does for them now or going forward. I saw some Rangers Agm’s on here that if they were on the table, the Sabres should take. But those include prospects / guys close to making the jump and picks
May 9, 2021 at 12:51 a.m.
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seider and larkin is gets the deal going imo.
May 9, 2021 at 12:53 a.m.
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
Sabres shouldn’t trade Eichel then I guess haha. Fan base may not want it, but their current makeup isn’t good enough so if you swap Eichel for another Eichel, I’m not sure what the does for them now or going forward. I saw some Rangers Agm’s on here that if they were on the table, the Sabres should take. But those include prospects / guys close to making the jump and picks

This year is a bad sampling of what this team is capable of. Mostly because Ralph Krueger ruined everybody. I don’t know what he was trying to teach anyone, but nobody got it and nobody could do anything right while he was here. Jack was never healthy, and when he comes back next season fully healthy I believe we will see the Jack Eichel who was getting Hart trophy votes like last year. I’m looking more at what the team did once Granato took over. It was truly night and day, Rasmus Dahlin scored more than half the points he has in the season in the time since Kruger got fired. Krueger was wasting Jeff Skinner on the fourth line, and people wonder why he was not scoring. He essentially scored all of his goals after Ralph got fired. The team played significantly better and did it without their best player, without their number one goaltender for most of it, and without half their best defensive pairing once McCabe was hurt. I would have to think that if the rest of the roster can play like this adding a healthy and motivated Jack Eichel to the mix they are significantly better team. The idea they are a long way from contention is a misnomer. They are a decent back up goaltender away from contention. If they get that done this off-season watch out.
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May 9, 2021 at 1:03 a.m.
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seider and larkin is gets the deal going imo.


Hahaha
May 9, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.
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Hahaha


i dont see whats so funny.
May 9, 2021 at 2:07 a.m.
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
What is the desired return? Looking instead for Raymond and a first? Hockey deal like Laine and a first isn't really possible on Detroit. These prospects are far from a pile of crap though.
Berggren - drafted 33rd in 2018, 7th in SHL scoring this season
McIsaac - drafted 36th overall in 2018, has dealt with injuries over past 2 seasons but is finally back playing again. Potential for middle pair d-man
Niederbach - drafted 51st overall in 2020, too early to know but played well at WJC
Svechnikov and Cholowski are 1st rounders that are kind of reclamation projects
Top 10 pick, Top 30 pick, Top 50 pick in this year's draft and unprotected next season pick.
Like I said, quantity, but not crap.


Its crap, theirs 1 good forward prospect and he only had 12 goals, doesnt bode well translating to the NHL
May 9, 2021 at 3:04 a.m.
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May 9, 2021 at 5:04 a.m.
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Its crap, theirs 1 good forward prospect and he only had 12 goals, doesnt bode well translating to the NHL


I get that you're frustrated with the Eichel trades but you're wrong. And doubling down on it just makes you look stubborn and uninformed. Jonatan Berggren is one of the best forwards outside of the NHL. And then there's the THREE first round picks...So yeah not crap, just not what you're looking for in a trade.
May 9, 2021 at 8:12 a.m.
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May 9, 2021 at 8:43 a.m.
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Its crap, theirs 1 good forward prospect and he only had 12 goals, doesnt bode well translating to the NHL

I’d wager you don’t follow the SHL or prospects in general. Berggren has always been a dynamic playmaking winger (RW) so basing his ability to play in the NHL off goal scoring is absurd.
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May 9, 2021 at 8:59 a.m.
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Wings would be much better off, keeping those young assets, and spending 10m on UFAI(s) than just one 10m Eichel.
Don't know why the Sabres would be against the the trade, getting all those young assets and new found cap.
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May 9, 2021 at 9:00 a.m.
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I’d wager you don’t follow the SHL or prospects in general. Berggren has always been a dynamic playmaking winger (RW) so basing his ability to play in the NHL off goal scoring is absurd.


Id wager you dont watch the Sabres if you think that they need a play making winger. I also said he was good. That also doesnt change the fact that Berggren isnt close to Eichels value and theres nothing else interesting in that package
May 9, 2021 at 9:09 a.m.
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I get that you're frustrated with the Eichel trades but you're wrong. And doubling down on it just makes you look stubborn and uninformed. Jonatan Berggren is one of the best forwards outside of the NHL. And then there's the THREE first round picks...So yeah not crap, just not what you're looking for in a trade.


No its crap. I said Berggren is good, but thats it. Including the 3 picks in 2021, this draft sucks and everyone knows it. You have 3 players that couldn't make it in Detroit, 2 of which are dmen that have 0 chance in Buffalo and some unknown kid that may be 4-6 years away from an NHL debut. Picks dont make up value, and the Sabres should be getting as few as possible
May 9, 2021 at 9:09 a.m.
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Id wager you dont watch the Sabres if you think that they need a play making winger. I also said he was good. That also doesnt change the fact that Berggren isnt close to Eichels value and theres nothing else interesting in that package

When did I say anything about value of the trade or Sabres need(s)? Merely pointed out how your statement was incorrect.
May 9, 2021 at 9:37 a.m.
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When did I say anything about value of the trade or Sabres need(s)? Merely pointed out how your statement was incorrect.


When did i say he was bad, i said he doent score which you backed up
 
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