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Jack Eichel but in 2022-23

Created by: mhroblak
Initial Creation Date: May 10, 2021
Published: May 10 at 2:36
Team: 2022-23 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
I hate Eichel trades but I'm temporarily hopping on the bandwagon, because I think this perspective needs to be shown.

$12M to pay Lafreniere, Barron, Rooney, Richards, Miller, Jones, Kinkaid, and the 2 bench players. You be the judge on that.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Lundkvist, Nils2$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel4$5,500,000
Fox, Adam8$7,000,000
Richards, Justin1$800,000
Lindgren, Ryan2$3,000,000
Kravtsov, Vitali2$2,500,000
Shesterkin, Igor5$6,000,000
Deangelo, Anthony1$883,333
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Rooney, Kevin1$850,000
Kinkaid, Keith1$850,000
Zibanejad, Mika6$8,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Depth, Defenceman1$800,000
Depth, Forward1$800,000
Trades
NYR
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
  2. Chytil, Filip [RFA Rights]
  3. Schneider, Braden
  4. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,433,333
  • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
  • Brad Richards: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
NYR
BUF
NYR
LAK
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
2023
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$82,030,217$0$5,032,500-$530,217
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Lafrenière, Alexis
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$8,000,000
C
UFA
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$5,500,000
RW, LW
RFA
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$2,500,000
RW
RFA
NYR
Kreider, Chris
$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
NYR
Barron, Morgan
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
NYR
Richards, Justin
$800,000
C, RW
RFA
NYR
Cuylle, Will
$850,833
LW
RFA - 2
NYR
Rooney, Kevin
$850,000
RW, C
UFA
NYR
Pajuniemi, Lauri
$883,750
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$3,000,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYR
Fox, Adam
$7,000,000
RD
RFA
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$6,000,000
G
RFA
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
NYR
Kinkaid, Keith
$850,000
G
UFA
NYR
Jones, Zachary
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Lundkvist, Nils
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Depth, Forward
$800,000
Depth, Defenceman
$800,000
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$883,333
RD
RFA

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May 10 at 3:36
#26
Shibbal18
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Quoting: mhroblak
Chytil was on pace for 43p as 21 year old with good potential, if anyone counter argued that the 21 year old is only putting up .5p/gp, they would get laughed out of the room.

Apparently those players are free agency replaceable


Quoting: Klara
lol, of course, but then you get a 30 year old with a 4x4M contract, instead of having a 21 year old who will only continue to improve.


Alexander Wennberg .46ppg not going to cost an arm and a leg
May 10 at 3:39
#27
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I dont plea, Im declaring. Eichel isnt getting moved for Dmen and 3rd liners


No want wants third liner Dylan Cozens, could easily just get future of the franchise Joe Thornton in free agency for a million.
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May 10 at 3:50
#28
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Quoting: mhroblak
- Already said it's based on his willing to sign a team-friendly deal. Still waiting to hear why that's even more naive than all the other BS that we've seen on this site for weeks. It's something I'd never bet that Fox would do, but it's something I wouldn't bet against either.
- Probably $9-9.5M, I'd say the same for Makar and McAvoy too


It’s naive because it doesn’t really ever happen. A player isn’t going to lock himself in for his prime earning years at max term for a massive discount. A year or two? Maybe. It’s a business.
May 10 at 3:51
#29
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
Considering Fox forced (for lack of a better term) his way out of two organizations to play for the Rangers, I think it's safe to assume he takes a discount. It's infuriating, I know, but it wouldn't surprise me one but if he signed an 8x8 deal.


Why? When he forced his way to the rangers every team would have been offering him the exact same contract.
May 10 at 3:57
#30
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Klara
No want wants third liner Dylan Cozens, could easily just get future of the franchise Joe Thornton in free agency for a million.


Try to compare 4 year pro Chytil to rookie Cozens at any level, I will wait
May 10 at 4:04
#31
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Eichel goes to Ducks
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Try to compare 4 year pro Chytil to rookie Cozens at any level, I will wait


Cozens, 1 year after draft: .317 PPG in NHL
Chytil, 1 year after draft: .307 PPG in NHL
May 10 at 4:14
#32
Shibbal18
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Quoting: mhroblak
Cozens, 1 year after draft: .317 PPG in NHL
Chytil, 1 year after draft: .307 PPG in NHL


Cozens had more goals than Chytil had points in their 1st years
May 10 at 4:15
#33
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Try to compare 4 year pro Chytil to rookie Cozens at any level, I will wait


Kappo Kakko is 4 days younger than Cozens, but he is apparently just a 3rd liner, by that logic Cozens is replaceable in free agency.
May 10 at 4:16
#34
Thread Starter
Eichel goes to Ducks
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Cozens had more goals than Chytil had points in their 1st years


That's because Chytil played 9 games when he was 18 neutral
May 10 at 4:30
#35
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Klara
Kappo Kakko is 4 days younger than Cozens, but he is apparently just a 3rd liner, by that logic Cozens is replaceable in free agency.


Kakko is an over rated Fin
May 10 at 4:31
#36
Joined: Jul 2020
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Id rather he play his contract out in the KHL than trade him for players they could find in Free agency


1) a guy like lundkvist on a fresh elc is more valuable than pretty much anyone you could sign, chytil is 21 and will likely be making like 2.75 for his age 22-25 seasons. Idk how you think free agency works but you dont get young high ceiling guys like that without overpaying and giving up multiple first rounders
2) why in the world would you rather lose him for nothing than something, spite is clouding your judgment
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May 10 at 4:32
#37
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Eichel goes to Ducks
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Kakko is an over rated Fin


Please stop trolling if you’re not going to add anything of substance
May 10 at 4:37
#38
Shibbal18
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Quoting: nyr2022
1) a guy like lundkvist on a fresh elc is more valuable than pretty much anyone you could sign, chytil is 21 and will likely be making like 2.75 for his age 22-25 seasons. Idk how you think free agency works but you dont get young high ceiling guys like that without overpaying and giving up multiple first rounders
2) why in the world would you rather lose him for nothing than something, spite is clouding your judgment


Sabres dont need Dmen, and Dmen are a dime a dozen. it doesnt address the Sabres needs
May 10 at 4:38
#39
Shibbal18
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Quoting: mhroblak
Please stop trolling if you’re not going to add anything of substance


Fact of the matter is LA is not in the Sabres conference and they have the ability to offer prospects the Sabres actually need, not just ones that are convenient to give up. Rangers shouldnt feel entitled to Eichel
May 10 at 4:42
#40
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Sabres dont need Dmen, and Dmen are a dime a dozen. it doesnt address the Sabres needs


someones gotta break it to buf fans that they do in fact need d, hopefully its adams when he accepts a nils/chytil deal because la didnt offer byfield. good offensive dmen are distinctly not a dime a dozen btw
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May 10 at 4:50
#41
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Eichel goes to Ducks
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Fact of the matter is LA is not in the Sabres conference and they have the ability to offer prospects the Sabres actually need, not just ones that are convenient to give up. Rangers shouldnt feel entitled to Eichel


Not exactly sure what prospects you're looking for that New York doesn't have...
If it's Quinton Byfield, he's not on the table -- just like Alexis Lafreniere.

also right side defencemen are a shortage in the NHL, for the record
May 10 at 5:09
#42
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why? When he forced his way to the rangers every team would have been offering him the exact same contract.


I can't explain it other than NYC is where he wants to be. He's a Long Island native, his father has season tickets to the Rangers, he grew up being a Ranger fan. Just one of those things- home town kid wants to play for the home town team and wants to win.
May 10 at 5:12
#43
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Quoting: Book_Hockey
I can't explain it other than NYC is where he wants to be. He's a Long Island native, his father has season tickets to the Rangers, he grew up being a Ranger fan. Just one of those things- home town kid wants to play for the home town team and wants to win.


I don’t disagree. I’m sure that’s where he wants to be for his whole career. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay him. If they’re offering 7 and his value is 11, he’s not signing for 8 years. And if he gets to UFA quickly because the rangers fart around and blow the cap space they need to sign him long term, and they’re offering 7, while others in the league are offering 11, he’s taking the 11. No one has taken that big of a discount in league history.
May 10 at 5:22
#44
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
I don’t disagree. I’m sure that’s where he wants to be for his whole career. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay him. If they’re offering 7 and his value is 11, he’s not signing for 8 years. And if he gets to UFA quickly because the rangers fart around and blow the cap space they need to sign him long term, and they’re offering 7, while others in the league are offering 11, he’s taking the 11. No one has taken that big of a discount in league history.


You're a Bruins fan. Marchand Bergeron and Pasta make less than 20 mil combined, and you're over here talking about how nobody takes discounts lol
May 10 at 5:23
#45
Shibbal18
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Quoting: mhroblak
Not exactly sure what prospects you're looking for that New York doesn't have...
If it's Quinton Byfield, he's not on the table -- just like Alexis Lafreniere.

also right side defencemen are a shortage in the NHL, for the record


Turcotte, Fa.gemo, Kaliyev, Kupari, Vilardi, Thomas, Chromiak, LaFerriere - dont need Byfield at all
May 10 at 5:25
#46
Shibbal18
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Quoting: nyr2022
someones gotta break it to buf fans that they do in fact need d, hopefully its adams when he accepts a nils/chytil deal because la didnt offer byfield. good offensive dmen are distinctly not a dime a dozen btw


The Sabres finished the year with 5 dmen under the age of 24, with more prospects in our system. That same D core also made Tokarski and Houser look good. We dont, at all
May 10 at 5:36
#47
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Eichel goes to Ducks
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Turcotte, Fa.gemo, Kaliyev, Kupari, Vilardi, Thomas, Chromiak, LaFerriere - dont need Byfield at all


So you're telling me, that not only are ALL of these prospects "inconvenient to give up", but the Rangers don't have anyone of those players' tier?
You're actually insane if you think that.
May 10 at 6:26
#48
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Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres finished the year with 5 dmen under the age of 24, with more prospects in our system. That same D core also made Tokarski and Houser look good. We dont, at all


im sorry doesnt risto play top 4 mins? you cant be serious you must be playing too much chel. nils might play first pairing right way for buf lmao i have no clue what could possibly lead you to believe youre ok on d theyre young and not good as a group
May 10 at 6:45
#49
Shibbal18
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Quoting: nyr2022
im sorry doesnt risto play top 4 mins? you cant be serious you must be playing too much chel. nils might play first pairing right way for buf lmao i have no clue what could possibly lead you to believe youre ok on d theyre young and not good as a group


Risto isnt bad. Again as I said, they played the final quarter of the season with ECHL goalies and did better than the first half, but no, everyone has top pair D prospects except Buffalo (Funny when your definition of good dman is scores a ton of points, not their actual ability to play d). The Sabres are good on D
May 10 at 6:47
#50
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Risto isnt bad. Again as I said, they played the final quarter of the season with ECHL goalies and did better than the first half, but no, everyone has top pair D prospects except Buffalo. The Sabres are good on D


yeah ok thank god youre not in charge of the sabres, thinking risto should be anywhere near the top 4 is unbelievable. if risto "isnt bad" then nils lundkvist is turning into prime erik karlsson
 
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