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Exploring options for Eichel

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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: May 11, 2021
Published: May 12, 2021
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I don't think there's really an issue in finding teams with assets to trade for Eichel. The issue is finding teams with assets to trade for Eichel that still have the surrounding cast to compete for a cup after obtaining him. Could LA give up Byfield and do it? Sure, but Kopitar might finally descend to earth in a season or two, Doughty is already pretty bad, and all of a sudden you're 30 mil deep into the cap with only really Eichel to show for it, while you're simultaneously not filling up the roster with high-end talent from the draft anymore - cause it's gone into trading for Jack Eichel.

I think these teams suggested have rosters they can re-tool and compete with, even after obtaining Eichel. So in reality, I wouldn't suggest for Chicago to do this, but I still think they could.
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NSH
  1. Eichel, Jack
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May 12, 2021 at 9:05 a.m.
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Chicago isn't giving up Kane for him and Colorado isn't giving up Rantanen
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May 12, 2021 at 9:05 a.m.
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Ohhh buddy. These are all over the place. Like, just comparing the Boston one and the Colorado one...that's a huge difference in return.
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May 12, 2021 at 9:20 a.m.
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Aho is as good as Eichel and cheaper. Carolina isn't going to even pick up the phone.
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May 12, 2021 at 9:24 a.m.
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Kane + Dach ++?

Glass + Tuch + Karlsson +++?

Oh man, you're going to be WILDLY disappointed when you see the actual return for Eichel.
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May 12, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.
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Aho is as good as Eichel and cheaper. Carolina isn't going to even pick up the phone.


Agreed, I don't think I'd give up Aho for Eichel 1 for 1, let alone add.
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May 12, 2021 at 10:18 a.m.
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Chicago isn't giving up Kane for him and Colorado isn't giving up Rantanen


Maybe not, but they absolutely should - both are far worse players!
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Agreed, I don't think I'd give up Aho for Eichel 1 for 1, let alone add.


But they should, seeing as Eichel is way better
May 12, 2021 at 10:20 a.m.
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Kane + Dach ++?

Glass + Tuch + Karlsson +++?

Oh man, you're going to be WILDLY disappointed when you see the actual return for Eichel.


I'm not a Buffalo supporter. In fact, its the team I enjoy the least cause of their managerial incompetence. But he's way better than any player in any of these trades.
May 12, 2021 at 10:22 a.m.
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Aho is as good as Eichel and cheaper. Carolina isn't going to even pick up the phone.


Aho isn't at all equally good. He's playing with some of the best players in the league to produce similar results to an Eichel with some of the worst surrounding casts out there. Now, Carolina knows this, cause Tulsky isn't feeding them bad information. If they could get a 1for1 trade I'm almost sure they would, unless the owners stop them for marketing reasons or something like that.
May 12, 2021 at 10:26 a.m.
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Ohhh buddy. These are all over the place. Like, just comparing the Boston one and the Colorado one...that's a huge difference in return.


Yeah, maybe. But not the one you mentioned in particular isn't the best example. The biggest difference between Rantanen and DeBrusk is that the formers shots happen to go in the net. There's no way he should earn 5.5 mil or so more because of that. Swap their situations around and you'd see different results. Graves is really a toss-in because of the expansion draft, but alright.
May 12, 2021 at 10:38 a.m.
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Yeah, maybe. But not the one you mentioned in particular isn't the best example. The biggest difference between Rantanen and DeBrusk is that the formers shots happen to go in the net. There's no way he should earn 5.5 mil or so more because of that. Swap their situations around and you'd see different results. Graves is really a toss-in because of the expansion draft, but alright.


tears of joy The biggest difference between Rantanen and DeBrusk is that Rantanen is a much better player than DeBrusk. Every stat known to man favors Rantanen, and it's not even close. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a B's fan, because there's no way that anyone else would try to put those two in the same conversation.
May 12, 2021 at 10:41 a.m.
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Aho is as good as Eichel and cheaper. Carolina isn't going to even pick up the phone.


I think the argument could be made for either, but the fact that Aho is cheaper definitely makes him move valuable to the Canes.
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tears of joy The biggest difference between Rantanen and DeBrusk is that Rantanen is a much better player than DeBrusk. Every stat known to man favors Rantanen, and it's not even close. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a B's fan, because there's no way that anyone else would try to put those two in the same conversation.


Sigh... So this is the part where I ask you to explain *why* Rantanen is a better player, you'll give me a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. I'll tell you DeBrusk makes shot happen for his team compared to his opponents just as much as Rantanen - the difference is Rantanens shots enter the net. Now he might just be a *way* better shot, and that's fine, then he's a better player because of that. But I know you're looking at those juicy point totals going " tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy le mayo imagine thinking its close between two players with *VASTLY* different point totals" and I'm here to tell you, yes, it can be close.
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I think the argument could be made for either, but the fact that Aho is cheaper definitely makes him move valuable to the Canes.


Aho was way better in 18/19, but is trending down. Eichel is massively better this year and trending up. Aho stays afloat on the ice vs top competition, Eichel demolishes it.
May 12, 2021 at 10:56 a.m.
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Aho was way better in 18/19, but is trending down. Eichel is massively better this year and trending up. Aho stays afloat on the ice vs top competition, Eichel demolishes it.


I feel like you may have missed this entire season...
May 12, 2021 at 11:14 a.m.
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Sigh... So this is the part where I ask you to explain *why* Rantanen is a better player, you'll give me a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. I'll tell you DeBrusk makes shot happen for his team compared to his opponents just as much as Rantanen - the difference is Rantanens shots enter the net. Now he might just be a *way* better shot, and that's fine, then he's a better player because of that. But I know you're looking at those juicy point totals going " tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy le mayo imagine thinking its close between two players with *VASTLY* different point totals" and I'm here to tell you, yes, it can be close.


I honestly can't believe that this is a real conversation...go and look at any analytic available. There's none that have them anywhere close to each other. Like, you could use your (really bad) argument for any player in the league. Heck, you could run out and say "Sean Kuraly is basically Connor McDavid, except his shots don't go in."

@Coga16 @richard88 @XQB15A-This guy thinks DeBrusk is comparable to Rantanen tears of joy
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May 12, 2021 at 11:27 a.m.
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But they should, seeing as Eichel is way better


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Aho isn't at all equally good. He's playing with some of the best players in the league to produce similar results to an Eichel with some of the worst surrounding casts out there. Now, Carolina knows this, cause Tulsky isn't feeding them bad information. If they could get a 1for1 trade I'm almost sure they would, unless the owners stop them for marketing reasons or something like that.


Over the past 3 years at 5v5:

Aho: 2889 TOI, 104 points [2.16 P/60], 67.97 IPP
Eichel: 2614 TOI, 90 points [2.07 P/60], 70.87 IPP
Karlsson: 2763 TOI, 94 points [2.04 P/60], 71.21 IPP

So Aho has better scoring results with only a slightly better supporting cast than Eichel. There's little daylight between the two, certainly not enough to justify Carolina adding - and even then I'm being generous as the better contract and better health of Aho means they shouldn't do a 1-for-1 anyhow.

Now lets look at the past 2 years:

Aho: 1680 TOI, 64 points [2.29 P/60], 71.11 IPP
Karlsson: 1610 TOI, 57 points [2.12 P/60], 74.03 IPP
Eichel: 1452 TOI, 43 points [1.78 P/60], 66.15 IPP

Oof. Eichel really hasn't been good and he can't blame the supporting cast, either, as his IPP is by far the worst of the three. Seems like he had a good season in 2018-19 and has gone downhill since then. Injury concerns and poor performance drives his value down, as does his $10M cap hit.

Buffalo isn't getting Aho without adding.
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May 12, 2021 at 11:32 a.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
Aho was way better in 18/19, but is trending down. Eichel is massively better this year and trending up.


The opposite is true.


Quoting: MelonVK
Aho stays afloat on the ice vs top competition, Eichel demolishes it.


The opposite is true.
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May 12, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.
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I honestly can't believe that this is a real conversation...go and look at any analytic available. There's none that have them anywhere close to each other. Like, you could use your (really bad) argument for any player in the league. Heck, you could run out and say "Sean Kuraly is basically Connor McDavid, except his shots don't go in."

Coga16 richard88 XQB15A-This guy thinks DeBrusk is comparable to Rantanen tears of joy


Then he clearly is not qualified to make player evaluations if thats the case, or is trolling, Either or
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Then he clearly is not qualified to make player evaluations if thats the case, or is trolling, Either or


Quoting: Lenny7
I honestly can't believe that this is a real conversation...go and look at any analytic available. There's none that have them anywhere close to each other. Like, you could use your (really bad) argument for any player in the league. Heck, you could run out and say "Sean Kuraly is basically Connor McDavid, except his shots don't go in."

Coga16 richard88 XQB15A-This guy thinks DeBrusk is comparable to Rantanen tears of joy


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The opposite is true.




The opposite is true.


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I mean Rantanen’s career assists average is higher than DeBrusk point total. Higher xGF, xGD, CF, point share basically better in every measurable possible. Bigger, stronger, better shooter, better passer, better everything except hair. Teams go into games worried about Rantanen and game plan for him. Other teams don’t worry about DeBrusk he is like what BOS 4th best winger. Rantanen is one of the 10 best wingers in the league.


I'm so glad I got all the boys on one thread!

Let's establish something first: How do we know a player is good?

When somebody tells me Rantanen is WAY better than DeBrusk, I get a feeling we have already decided who is good, and we're now reverse engineering ourselves to that position.

I don't do that. I look at a collection of data, and I close the gaps by watching and analyzing what's happening on the ice. this sheilds me from 1) being amazed by something that looks really cool and ignoring the bad parts that come with it, and 2) looking for mistakes in a players game, and assigning any blame to a particular player. Basically 1) confirmation bias, and 2) well, confirmation bias.

Does anyone here think points is a good measurement of player ability? Or is points / 60 better, cause it makes up for a variable we don't really care about in playing time? Well why then isn't +/- good, it should cover both ends of the ice?

We're getting closer. By using more advanced metrics than the most obvious discriptive ones, we get close to the truth. Points/60 is better than points, +/- is maybe more misleading than doing well, but we can use more sophisticated measures instead. What if we controlled for zone and situation usage? All of a sudden +/- is way more useful, cause it doesn't know a player playing all defensive minutes in bad situations. What if we actually use shots as a proxy for points - as there are more shots, meaning fewer statistical anomalities, then just add on shooting effects later? Assists lead to more teammate shots too, which we care as much about, and opposition shots are what we want to avoid, right? Oh, and don't think I missed you there, of course we care about and control for shot location - i.e. shot quality. And think of all offensively skilled forwards that hold on to the puck to the point where their opposition has a hard time creating offense? Can't see that in point totals, hard to notice when watching the game. We've got that down and quantified. Also, what if we could ignore coaching effects, like Tortorella voiding most offense in both directions? You guessed it, we can.

I'm making my judgements based on metrics that include all of these things. Whenever you say Rantanen is this amazing player - MacKinnon by default has to be less of an amazing player. There is only so much tangible "good", and if you say Rantanen is one of the best wingers in the game - well, that means MacKinnon is less impressive than some, like myself, would argue.

Now the cool thing about these numbers is that we get a really good picture of who's a good NHLer. And guess what? Almost all players you would assume are good are performing great by these standards.

McDavid? Absolutely insane. Kuraly? Not so much.

Aho hasn't driven the same offensive production this year as he did in 18/19. It's just not there. He's probably helped by Svechnikov sneakily being one of the best players in the league, and so is Dougie Hamilton - the guy Boston traded away for no reason (that one's for you, whoever claimed I'm biased in favor of the Bruins).

Now, I never said Rantanen wasn't better than DeBrusk, I said it was mostly due to shot effects. Now, those can be real. He's creating a lot of separation in value between himself and Jake by simply shooting better shots. And that's fair. But it's not the massive difference in skill you get when you're blinded by things like point totals. Maybe this is most hilariously shown by the players Colorado added recently, and how much better they are for it. They used to be a good team, now they're *the* standout team in the league. Toews is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league this year. Saad is creating so much offense, without necessarily scoring - which has been true his entire career, and anyone playing with him is greatly benefitting. Nichuskin is an absolute beast of a player, tilting the ice heavily in his teams favor, and you wouldn't know this if all you looked at was point totals. Colorado and their management are using more sophisticated statistical measures to stay at the top of the league. So should you in your hockey player analysis.

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May 12, 2021 at 12:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Lenny7
I honestly can't believe that this is a real conversation...go and look at any analytic available. There's none that have them anywhere close to each other. Like, you could use your (really bad) argument for any player in the league. Heck, you could run out and say "Sean Kuraly is basically Connor McDavid, except his shots don't go in."

Coga16 richard88 XQB15A-This guy thinks DeBrusk is comparable to Rantanen tears of joy


I mean Rantanen’s career assists average is higher than DeBrusk point total. Higher xGF, xGD, CF, point share basically better in every measurable possible. Bigger, stronger, better shooter, better passer, better everything except hair. Teams go into games worried about Rantanen and game plan for him. Other teams don’t worry about DeBrusk he is like what BOS 4th best winger. Rantanen is one of the 10 best wingers in the league.
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I guess my question to you all is: How would you know if you were wrong?

How could you tell if you've moved past your cognitive biases or not? Because I have methodology, clearly. I'm just curious how you check yourselves and *know* you're not incorrect.

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I guess my question to you all is: How would you know if you were wrong?

How could you tell if you've moved past your cognitive biases or not? Because I have methodology, clearly. I'm just curious how you check yourselves and *know* you're not incorrect.

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How would I know if I’m wrong. If anybody in the entire planet offers DeBrusk a contract for $8M + or more, not even what Rantanen makes. You’ve found one stat xG/60 and based a whole hypothesis on. You’ve taken a piece of evidence and turned it into a circular argument. And now you are trolling. You choose to ignore the most tangible stat points, launch into a grandiose soliloquy, gloss over other stats like CF, xGF, xGA, espouse your supposed intellectual approach and how your modified thought process supports your absurd hypothesis, ignoring Fenwick, xGD, and in your condescension question or at least imply that you have somehow come across a conclusion superior to ours. Well how about this there isn’t a GM in the league that would give you Rantanen for DeBrusk straight up. DeBrusk is never going to make more money in a year than Rantanen because he isn’t as good and the market won’t bare it. But hey you are convinced you know better so maybe you are missing your true calling as a cult leader.
May 12, 2021 at 4:29 p.m.
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How would I know if I’m wrong. If anybody in the entire planet offers DeBrusk a contract for $8M + or more, not even what Rantanen makes. You’ve found one stat xG/60 and based a whole hypothesis on. You’ve taken a piece of evidence and turned it into a circular argument. And now you are trolling. You choose to ignore the most tangible stat points, launch into a grandiose soliloquy, gloss over other stats like CF, xGF, xGA, espouse your supposed intellectual approach and how your modified thought process supports your absurd hypothesis, ignoring Fenwick, xGD, and in your condescension question or at least imply that you have somehow come across a conclusion superior to ours. Well how about this there isn’t a GM in the league that would give you Rantanen for DeBrusk straight up. DeBrusk is never going to make more money in a year than Rantanen because he isn’t as good and the market won’t bare it. But hey you are convinced you know better so maybe you are missing your true calling as a cult leader.


Nice... So we *are* back at "Rantanen is better because Rantanen is better". I didn't gloss over any of those stats, they are accounted for. Or did you think a literal shot map ignored the corsi/fenwick aspect? These are the things that are included in xG-models... And then we resort back to "well Rantanen makes more money and should make more money" which, again, is a re-writted version of "Rantanen is better because Rantanen is better". I'm sorry you felt like your intellect was under attack, but I can't really take responsibility for that.
May 12, 2021 at 5:02 p.m.
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Aho was way better in 18/19, but is trending down. Eichel is massively better this year and trending up. Aho stays afloat on the ice vs top competition, Eichel demolishes it.


How does a player that has been injured the entire season and said that he has not been treated yet trend upwards? Eichel's injury is to concerning to consider giving up Aho
 
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