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Different Eichel trades most of which are dumb

Created by: BCAPP
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: May 12, 2021
Published: May 12, 2021
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Wanted to try out some none la/NYR teams. Most don't work out in the end
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Terry, Troy
  2. Zegras, Trevor
  3. 2021 1st round pick (ANA)
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Whoever there second best prospect is (ie behind Drysdale)
ANA
    Jack Eichel

    Why this doesn't make sense: Anaheim is not far enough along in a rebuild to trade this much for one player that won't make them competitive alone
    2.
    BUF
    1. Beecher, John [Reserve List]
    2. Swayman, Jeremy
    3. Vaakanainen, Urho
    4. 2021 1st round pick (BOS)
    5. 2022 1st round pick (BOS)
    6. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
    BOS
      Jack Eichel

      Why this won't work: unfortunately I can't seem to make this work. Why unfortunate? Because he'd be perfect for Boston whether Krejci leaves of they move him to 3c. Why it won't work? Boston doesn't have 1 extremely large value piece here and I can't find one that they can really move without hurting the team too much. Sure all of Marchand, Bergeron, pastrnak, and McAvoy are supervaluable (most more valuable than eichel) but they can't be traded without making the team worse.
      3.
      BUF
      1. Gaudreau, Johnny
      2. Monahan, Sean
      3. Zary, Connor
      4. 2021 1st round pick (CGY)
      5. 2022 2nd round pick (FLA)
      CGY
      1. Eichel, Jack
      2. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
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      Why this trade wouldn't work: it's insane. It's a total team changing trade for both. I also think I doesn't work.

      A couple years ago Gaudreau was way more valuable than Reinhart. Arguable a top 5 winger in the game. Now he's had two down seasons and playoff failures. But most importantly he's a Ufa in 1 year. So he's less valuable than Reinhart.

      So the trade is Monahan, Zary a first and a second for eichel and the difference in value in the other trade. Just too crazy a trade

      Also Buffalo would have to be planning to flip Gaudreau for futures
      4.
      BUF
      1. Hintz, Roope
      2. Kiviranta, Joel [RFA Rights]
      3. 2021 1st round pick (DAL)
      Additional Details:
      Another good prospect don't know the organization well enough.
      DAL
        This one kind of makes sense for me but on the flipside hintz just had an incredible season why are they trading him when he's young and cost controlled? Price is really high.

        But Dallas is a well built team and upping their offense will instantly put them back in contenders category imho
        5.
        BUF
        1. Broberg, Philip
        2. Holloway, Dylan
        3. Koskinen, Mikko
        4. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
        5. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
        EDM
          Why the world wants to see this? We want to see that power play and them SCORE ALL THE GOALS

          Why this won't happen? That pesky thing called the salary cap
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          May 12, 2021 at 1:14 p.m.
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          Try Minnesota and Vegas
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          May 12, 2021 at 1:21 p.m.
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          Ive never understood the connection between Eichel and the Ducks, the cost of Eichel would set ANA so far behind in the rebuild theyd be worse off than BUF is currently

          Reinhart makes much more sense from a Ducks prospective if they are in the market for a forward via trade
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          May 12, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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          Biggest issue for Dallas would be the cap. $10M a year for Eichel when Dallas ALSO has to pay Heiskanen this offseason is damn near impossible, especially in the flat cap situation the NHL is in.
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          May 12, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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          What's the additional cost for Buffalo to retain 50%?
          May 12, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheMooterus
          Biggest issue for Dallas would be the cap. $10M a year for Eichel when Dallas ALSO has to pay Heiskanen this offseason is damn near impossible, especially in the flat cap situation the NHL is in.


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          May 12, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheMooterus
          Biggest issue for Dallas would be the cap. $10M a year for Eichel when Dallas ALSO has to pay Heiskanen this offseason is damn near impossible, especially in the flat cap situation the NHL is in.


          Good point!
          May 12, 2021 at 1:38 p.m.
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          Quoting: Devil1122
          Try Minnesota and Vegas


          Was going alphabetical and ran out of time. They're in my mind too!
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          May 12, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
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          Quoting: bwar
          What's the additional cost for Buffalo to retain 50%?


          Not a clue, not even a Buffalo fan. Will be trying that when I get to Vegas though. As they are not deep enough at centre and disgustingly cap tight.
          May 12, 2021 at 2:21 p.m.
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          Quoting: bwar
          What's the additional cost for Buffalo to retain 50%?


          Insanely and prohibitively high. No way does that happen. 5 years is a ridiculously long time to retain $5M.
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          May 12, 2021 at 3:02 p.m.
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          Quoting: GoodIdeaAtTheTime
          Insanely and prohibitively high. No way does that happen. 5 years is a ridiculously long time to retain $5M.


          I think can potentially get them to retain like 3 million
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          May 12, 2021 at 3:09 p.m.
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          Quoting: Salzy
          Ive never understood the connection between Eichel and the Ducks, the cost of Eichel would set ANA so far behind in the rebuild theyd be worse off than BUF is currently

          Reinhart makes much more sense from a Ducks prospective if they are in the market for a forward via trade


          Quoting: Salzy
          Ive never understood the connection between Eichel and the Ducks, the cost of Eichel would set ANA so far behind in the rebuild theyd be worse off than BUF is currently

          Reinhart makes much more sense from a Ducks prospective if they are in the market for a forward via trade


          The connection is they have the pieces.

          It makes sense for Anaheim because they would get a clear replacement for Ryan Getzlaf, and if he returns that’s huge for the room and Eichel. But if I’m Anaheim, I’m not doing it unless Ryan Getzlaf returns because that’s his locker room. We’ve already seen Eichel as a captain and he’s not ready to even be a leader “.

          The other thing is, Anaheim has a top four pick in the 2021 draft....keep in mind the 2021 draft is a tough one to evaluate, especially when you get outside the top 10 because there is such little scouting and film. It’s not like they are dealing a 2013 or 2003 pick.

          I don’t think you get Zegras and the number 2 even in 2021 though. Zegras is a guy you’d want to support Eichel with and eventually be a major player on the Ducks.

          Buffalo would need to take Ryan Kesler’s deal back not for cap reasons but for team budget reasons. Anaheim is budget conscious and they likely won’t want to take back a 10 million dollar cap hit with a player they are paying on LTIR.

          Anaheim is also much closer than it appears. They’re set in goal with Gibby, the defense is respectable when it’s fully healthy with Hampus, Fowler, and Manson, and they should get a boost in a couple years with Drysdale, but the scoring has been the main problem. Do you being Getzlaf back? That helps your room and brining Eichel gives you a true 1C to put with Comtois, Rakell, a young Zegras, Silfverberg and Henrique.

          I think the return would be centered around the second to fourth overall in 2021, and then probably Lundestrom, Jones, and a third prospects.

          But I think Anaheim would want to build around Zegras and Drysdale, and not necessarily move them
          May 12, 2021 at 5:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: DennisReynolds
          The connection is they have the pieces.

          It makes sense for Anaheim because they would get a clear replacement for Ryan Getzlaf, and if he returns that’s huge for the room and Eichel. But if I’m Anaheim, I’m not doing it unless Ryan Getzlaf returns because that’s his locker room. We’ve already seen Eichel as a captain and he’s not ready to even be a leader “.

          The other thing is, Anaheim has a top four pick in the 2021 draft....keep in mind the 2021 draft is a tough one to evaluate, especially when you get outside the top 10 because there is such little scouting and film. It’s not like they are dealing a 2013 or 2003 pick.

          I don’t think you get Zegras and the number 2 even in 2021 though. Zegras is a guy you’d want to support Eichel with and eventually be a major player on the Ducks.

          Buffalo would need to take Ryan Kesler’s deal back not for cap reasons but for team budget reasons. Anaheim is budget conscious and they likely won’t want to take back a 10 million dollar cap hit with a player they are paying on LTIR.

          Anaheim is also much closer than it appears. They’re set in goal with Gibby, the defense is respectable when it’s fully healthy with Hampus, Fowler, and Manson, and they should get a boost in a couple years with Drysdale, but the scoring has been the main problem. Do you being Getzlaf back? That helps your room and brining Eichel gives you a true 1C to put with Comtois, Rakell, a young Zegras, Silfverberg and Henrique.

          I think the return would be centered around the second to fourth overall in 2021, and then probably Lundestrom, Jones, and a third prospects.

          But I think Anaheim would want to build around Zegras and Drysdale, and not necessarily move them


          Eichel wouldn't do it without zegras or Drysdale and I presume they prefer zegras.

          I like Gibson but he's now had two below average seasons in a row. That's concerning.

          While I agree with a lot of your comments re players the game is played on the ice not on paper. No matter how you cut it they were the second worse team in the league. They scored the fewest goals. Let in the 9th most. Had the second worse gf-ga. That's awful
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          May 12, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
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          Quoting: BCAPP
          I think can potentially get them to retain like 3 million


          I could see that. In this current flat cap environment I think that the cost would have to be at least a late 1st.
          May 12, 2021 at 6:09 p.m.
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          Quoting: GoodIdeaAtTheTime
          I could see that. In this current flat cap environment I think that the cost would have to be at least a late 1st.


          It really depends on the gm. I think the cost to retain for 5 years should be massive.

          Leafs retained on Kessel for 7 years but just 1.25. But it was so dumb. People talk about marner being overpaid but that 1.25 off marners contract and it looks fine
           
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