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Potential Centers

Created by: Kravtsov_Stan
Initial Creation Date: May 15, 2021
Published: May 15 at 2:51
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
Players ranked by likelihood of it happening
Trades
NYR
  1. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
EDM
    Possible UFA signing who would play well on line 2
    NYR
    1. Pavelski, Joe
    DAL
      Not very likely but if the stars need to unload cap he is a guy who could mentor the young guys and win faceoffs which is something the Rangers struggle with
      NYR
      1. Hertl, Tomas
      SJS
        He would cost a lot of assets but is a very good piece on a team that would be willing to trade him
        NYR
        1. Eichel, Jack
        BUF
          Obviously the one everyone will think of but I don't think given his cap hit and all of the other teams in on him I don't think he goes to NY
          NYR
          1. Danault, Phillip
          MTL
            I doubt he leaves Montreal to UFA but if he does he would be a top asset that any team would love to have
            NYR
            1. Barkov, Aleksander
            FLA
              This one is a LOOONG shot but he is a UFA in 2022 so its possible
              NYR
              1. Kadri, Nazem
              COL
                He would be providing the Grit the rangers are looking for and would slot in nicely but the only concern would be his age, also a UFA in 2022
                NYR
                1. Trocheck, Vincent
                CAR
                  also a UFA in 2022 and Carolina likely won't have the cap to commit to him long term, definitely a great option.
                  NYR
                  1. Couturier, Sean
                  PHI
                    The last of the bunch but another great 2-way 2022 UFA who could be available.
                    Buyouts
                    • Kevin Shattenkirk: $6,083,333
                    • Henrik Lundqvist: $5,500,000
                    • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
                    • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
                    • Brad Richards: $0
                    • Artemi Panarin: $10,976,190
                    • Jacob Trouba: $7,666,667
                    • Chris Kreider: $5,619,048
                    • Mika Zibanejad: $3,933,333
                    • Anthony Deangelo: $1,300,000
                    • Ryan Strome: $2,000,000
                    • Brendan Smith: $2,783,334
                    • Pavel Buchnevich: $750,000
                    • Alexandar Georgiev: $629,167
                    • Kaapo Kakko: $231,250
                    • Vitali Kravtsov: $231,250
                    • Igor Shesterkin: $231,250
                    • K'Andre Miller: $231,250
                    • Ryan Lindgren: $231,250
                    • Adam Fox: $231,250
                    • Alexis Lafrenière: $231,250
                    • Zachary Jones: $231,250
                    • Filip Chytil: $200,416
                    • Julien Gauthier: $169,583
                    • Brett Howden: $169,583
                    • Libor Hájek: $139,583
                    • Keith Kinkaid: $350,000
                    • Kevin Rooney: $300,000
                    • Anthony Bitetto: $258,333
                    • Colin Blackwell: $266,667
                    • Phillip Di Giuseppe: $233,334
                    Buried
                    • Jack Johnson: $75,000 ($1,150,000)
                    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                    2021
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    BUF
                    NYR
                    LAK
                    OTT
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    2022
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    2023
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    NYR
                    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                    9$81,500,000$103,856,348$0$0-$22,356,348
                    Left WingCenterRight Wing
                    BUF
                    Eichel, Jack
                    $10,000,000
                    C
                    UFA - 6
                    CAR
                    Trocheck, Vincent
                    $4,750,000
                    C, RW
                    UFA - 2
                    SJS
                    Hertl, Tomas
                    $5,625,000
                    C, RW
                    NTC
                    UFA - 2
                    COL
                    Kadri, Nazem
                    $4,500,000
                    C
                    NTC
                    UFA - 2
                    DAL
                    Pavelski, Joe
                    $7,000,000
                    RW, C
                    NMC
                    UFA - 2
                    EDM
                    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
                    $6,000,000
                    C, LW
                    UFA - 1
                    MTL
                    Danault, Phillip
                    $3,083,333
                    C
                    UFA - 1
                    PHI
                    Couturier, Sean
                    $4,333,333
                    C
                    UFA - 2
                    FLA
                    Barkov, Aleksander
                    $5,900,000
                    C
                    NMC
                    UFA - 2
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                    May 15 at 2:54
                    #1
                    Joined: May 2018
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                    The Rangers do need help with faceoffs and that's why they should try hard to sign Luke Glendening who is a UFA and costs no assets to get. 55% lifetime in the circle, plus plays a physical game....perfect 4th line center. But he will cost money to get and knowing how cheap the Rangers usually are for 4th line players, they probably wouldn't want to pay him.....hopefully Drury thinks differently than Slats and Gorton.
                    May 15 at 3:09
                    #2
                    Joined: Jun 2019
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                    You can definitely cross Lindholm, Barkov, Trocheck, and Couturier off that list. They are aallfor sure not available

                    I suggest adding Krejci to the list though, great mentor
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                    May 15 at 5:19
                    #3
                    Joined: May 2021
                    Posts: 725
                    Likes: 439
                    Forget Trochek, Barkov, and Kadri (via trade anyway). Don't see them moving as good teams don't trade good players with term. You try to sign them UFA and pay a ton cap-wise.

                    Probably the same for Nugent-Hopkins, Hertl, and Lindholm. Doubt they'd be available (assuming N-H wants to stay in Edmonton and win).

                    A Philly-NYR deal would just be gross. I know it's a business but still...

                    Monahan would cost a good bit in assets but could be a good target. But I'd say Danault is the guy you want. Not a 1C but a nice 2C option behind Zibanejad. Also wouldn't be surprised if he does test UFA so it could br a fix now for nothing but money.
                    May 15 at 7:31
                    #4
                    LafreneiretoKravtsov
                    Joined: Apr 2016
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                    You want cheap? I’d love to see Nolan Patrick in a new setting. Obviously not wth Strome and Chytil around, but if one is moved, I’d love to see it.
                    May 15 at 7:41
                    #5
                    Fox for Norris
                    Joined: Feb 2021
                    Posts: 1,070
                    Likes: 155
                    Kuznetsov should be top this list. Vey top.
                    May 15 at 9:00
                    #6
                    Joined: Jun 2020
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                    As an oilers fan I will admit if your looking at nuge as a top six centre be very careful about the investment and be certain your going to have him well surrounded with players that can drive the play. I’ve never been a big fan of him down the middle. Listed as a centre but far more suited for the wing.
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                    May 15 at 9:18
                    #7
                    Joined: May 2015
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                    Quoting: delneggs
                    The Rangers do need help with faceoffs and that's why they should try hard to sign Luke Glendening who is a UFA and costs no assets to get. 55% lifetime in the circle, plus plays a physical game....perfect 4th line center. But he will cost money to get and knowing how cheap the Rangers usually are for 4th line players, they probably wouldn't want to pay him.....hopefully Drury thinks differently than Slats and Gorton.


                    The problem is he's a bad player. He's an offensive black hole.

                    While offensive contribution isn't the first need from a fourth liner, being absolutely awful is a problem

                    There have been 186 centres who have played over 60 gp over the last two years combined. He's 186th in points per 60 at even strength. Last. Literally.
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                    May 15 at 10:02
                    #8
                    Jack Hughes is Elite
                    Joined: Nov 2017
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                    Rangers are in a tough spot. There is a limited amount of center options and most of the centers that are available are nearing UFA. Rangers might not have enough money to pay them with Kaako, Fox, Shesterkin, and more all coming off ELC.

                    Too expensive: Couturier, Barkov, Eichel
                    Too old: Pavelski, Kadri
                    Not available: Lindholm

                    That leaves: Monahan, Hertl, Trocheck, Danault, Nuge

                    Nuge is better as a winger and can't drive play
                    Danault is good defensively but I don't think
                    Monahan is overrated

                    So either Trochek or Hertl are the best options for the Rangers
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                    May 15 at 11:18
                    #9
                    Joined: Jul 2020
                    Posts: 36
                    Likes: 16
                    I have been seeing a lot of Hertl to the rangers recently, and I don't think the Sharks will actually trade Hertl, but the Rangers seem like the best fit IMO. Opposite conference, good young and competetive team that's developing well to entice Hertl to waive NTC, and Rangers surplus assets are exactly what Sharks need. If he gets dealt I'd love to see it to the Rangers.
                    May 15 at 12:44
                    #10
                    Joined: May 2018
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                    Quoting: BCAPP
                    The problem is he's a bad player. He's an offensive black hole.

                    While offensive contribution isn't the first need from a fourth liner, being absolutely awful is a problem

                    There have been 186 centres who have played over 60 gp over the last two years combined. He's 186th in points per 60 at even strength. Last. Literally.


                    Rangers have plenty of offense...they need physicality and faceoff wins, i.e. better possession, to be a better team. You can have a forward that doesn't score much if he provides enough other things, and what he provides the Rangers sorely lack.
                    May 15 at 12:53
                    #11
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                    Quoting: JNoons13
                    I have been seeing a lot of Hertl to the rangers recently, and I don't think the Sharks will actually trade Hertl, but the Rangers seem like the best fit IMO. Opposite conference, good young and competetive team that's developing well to entice Hertl to waive NTC, and Rangers surplus assets are exactly what Sharks need. If he gets dealt I'd love to see it to the Rangers.


                    Rangers have the pieces to trade for Hertl, but I highly doubt he will ever waive to go to NYR.
                    May 15 at 1:35
                    #12
                    Joined: May 2019
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                    A good match may be Andrew Copp.
                    Jets need d-men.
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                    May 15 at 2:34
                    #13
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                    Quoting: NHLfan10506
                    A good match may be Andrew Copp.
                    Jets need d-men.


                    we have a lot of young d-men but none that are immediately NHL ready that could be moved
                    May 15 at 2:35
                    #14
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                    Kravtsov_Stan
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                    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
                    You can definitely cross Lindholm, Barkov, Trocheck, and Couturier off that list. They are aallfor sure not available

                    I suggest adding Krejci to the list though, great mentor


                    most of those are long shots in FA
                    May 15 at 2:59
                    #15
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                    Quoting: delneggs
                    Rangers have plenty of offense...they need physicality and faceoff wins, i.e. better possession, to be a better team. You can have a forward that doesn't score much if he provides enough other things, and what he provides the Rangers sorely lack.


                    There is a difference between being poor, or even bad, and being worst in the league. Also he's bad defensively and for possession.

                    He IS physical and good in the dot. But it's not enough. He will make everyone he plays with worse offensively. He would have to be elite defensively to be worth it and he is likely below average defensively
                    May 15 at 6:26
                    #16
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                    Quoting: BCAPP
                    There is a difference between being poor, or even bad, and being worst in the league. Also he's bad defensively and for possession.

                    He IS physical and good in the dot. But it's not enough. He will make everyone he plays with worse offensively. He would have to be elite defensively to be worth it and he is likely below average defensively


                    He is not a defensive liability. He even gets votes for the Selke some years. He has played for a bad team and +/- doesn't mean much, especially when you're on a bad team.
                    May 15 at 8:54
                    #17
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                    Quoting: delneggs
                    He is not a defensive liability. He even gets votes for the Selke some years. He has played for a bad team and +/- doesn't mean much, especially when you're on a bad team.


                    I didn't mention plus minus. His rapm is garbage.
                    May 16 at 1:04
                    #18
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                    Quoting: BCAPP
                    I didn't mention plus minus. His rapm is garbage.


                    Last season he finished 33rd in the Selke voting for top defensive forward. 33rd in he NHL......that is not a defensive liability.
                    May 16 at 4:46
                    #19
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                    Quoting: delneggs
                    Last season he finished 33rd in the Selke voting for top defensive forward. 33rd in he NHL......that is not a defensive liability.


                    He got a single 5th place vote (https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-2020.html#selke) it's just someone dumb who gave him a vote for being tough and good at faceoffs.

                    Anyway we'll clearly never agree and have to agree to disagree. Cheers
                     
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