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Go after a less expensive center

Created by: JohnnyS
Initial Creation Date: May 16, 2021
Published: May 16, 2021
Team: 2021-22 New York Rangers
Team Explanation
Extension in place for Hertl
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Chytil, Filip3$2,500,000
Shesterkin, Igor6$6,000,000
Buchnevich, Pavel6$6,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Gusev, Nikita2$1,300,000
Galchenyuk, Alex2$2,000,000
Ryan, Derek2$2,000,000
Trades
1.
NYR
  1. Hertl, Tomas
Additional Details:
Extension in place
SJS
  1. Jones, Zachary
  2. Chytil, Filip
  3. Henriksson, Karl
  4. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
  5. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Lottery Protected
2.
NYR
    XD
    SEA
    1. Blackwell, Colin
    Buyouts
    • Henrik Lundqvist: $1,500,000
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: $1,433,333
    • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
    • Brad Richards: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    NYR
    NYR
    LAK
    OTT
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2022
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2023
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$79,234,801$0$8,082,500$2,265,199
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    $11,642,857
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    SJS
    Hertl, Tomas
    $5,625,000
    C, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Buchnevich, Pavel
    $6,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    $925,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Zibanejad, Mika
    $5,350,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    $6,500,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    NYR
    Strome, Ryan
    $4,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Kravtsov, Vitali
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Gusev, Nikita
    $1,300,000
    RW, LW
    UFA
    Galchenyuk, Alex
    $2,000,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Ryan, Derek
    $2,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    NYR
    Miller, K'Andre
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Fox, Adam
    $925,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    $6,000,000
    G
    UFA - 4
    NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    $3,000,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    NYR
    Schneider, Braden
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    NYR
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    $2,425,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Robertson, Matthew
    $797,500
    LD
    RFA - 3
    NYR
    Trouba, Jacob
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    NYR
    Kinkaid, Keith
    $825,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Taxi Squad
    NYR
    Deangelo, Anthony
    $4,800,000 ($3,675,000)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Deangelo, Anthony
    $1,000,000 ($0)
    RD
    RFA - 1

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    May 16 at 5:40 p.m.
    #1
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    Thats a much fairer offer than we usually get.
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    May 16 at 5:40 p.m.
    #2
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    Why didn't you buy out ADA?
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    May 16 at 5:43 p.m.
    #3
    Sens Sicko from '06
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    This actually is pretty good for Hertl

    I agree with @Ledge_And_Dairy buy out ADA (scum)

    Man looking at the Rangers even after that trade they are going to be scary good for the next 5-8 years if all goes well
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    May 16 at 5:46 p.m.
    #4
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Why didn't you buy out ADA?

    Needs too anyway to be cap compliant.
    May 16 at 5:47 p.m.
    #5
    aecliptic
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    Gusev and Galchenyuk for the 4th line? Tom Wilson will be licking his chops every time he plays the Rangers. Easily the softest team in the league.

    The Hertl trade is an overpay. Chytil and a 1st seems to be the consensus acceptable trade for him.
    May 16 at 5:49 p.m.
    #6
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Needs too anyway to be cap compliant.


    I also wonder how they pay Kakko, Fox, Krav, Zib, and Hertl next year
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    May 16 at 5:50 p.m.
    #7
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    Quoting: aecliptic
    Gusev and Galchenyuk for the 4th line? Tom Wilson will be licking his chops every time he plays the Rangers. Easily the softest team in the league.

    The Hertl trade is an overpay. Chytil and a 1st seems to be the consensus acceptable trade for him.


    Consensus according to who? Ranger fans?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1IlgJRVkAA8HTa?format=jpg&name=900x900
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1CuKHhVgAIb9Y-?format=jpg&name=large

    Hertl is not just a 'good' player, he's not even a 'great' player. He's damn near elite and the trade compensation would have to reflect that
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    May 16 at 5:57 p.m.
    #8
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Why didn't you buy out ADA?


    Meant to, just didnt see him on the taxi.
    May 16 at 5:58 p.m.
    #9
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    I think its self explanatory that the 16th (really 15th) overall pick is assuming it stays the 16th overall pick.
    May 16 at 6:02 p.m.
    #10
    aecliptic
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    Quoting: MJC13
    Consensus according to who? Ranger fans?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1IlgJRVkAA8HTa?format=jpg&name=900x900
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1CuKHhVgAIb9Y-?format=jpg&name=large

    Hertl is not just a 'good' player, he's not even a 'great' player. He's damn near elite and the trade compensation would have to reflect that


    Because its been asked on here countless times and SJS fans themselves have said that Chytil and a 1st is a fair deal. Hertl is due to be a free agent in a year, I cant imagine that he plans to spend the prime of his career on a trainwreck of a franchise that the Sharks have been... who are also probably going to start a rebuild. So they can either trade him for something or lose him for nothing.
    May 16 at 6:10 p.m.
    #11
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    Quoting: aecliptic
    Because its been asked on here countless times and SJS fans themselves have said that Chytil and a 1st is a fair deal. Hertl is due to be a free agent in a year, I cant imagine that he plans to spend the prime of his career on a trainwreck of a franchise that the Sharks have been... who are also probably going to start a rebuild. So they can either trade him for something or lose him for nothing.


    The Rangers aren't the only team with the privilege of trading for Hertl. Chytil and a 1st may get the conversation started, but there would be multiple bidders for a player of Hertl's caliber, so if the Rangers want him they'll have to offer more. Hertl has already said he would prefer to stay in San Jose, so the ball is in their court to extend him or trade him. The chance they'll 'lose him for nothing' is next to zero.
    May 16 at 6:12 p.m.
    #12
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    This is definitely an offer SJ should accept. Only question would be if Hertl was willing to waive his NTC and sign an extension with a non-contender.
    May 16 at 6:12 p.m.
    #13
    aecliptic
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    Quoting: MJC13
    The Rangers aren't the only team with the privilege of trading for Hertl. Chytil and a 1st may get the conversation started, but there would be multiple bidders for a player of Hertl's caliber, so if the Rangers want him they'll have to offer more. Hertl has already said he would prefer to stay in San Jose, so the ball is in their court to extend him or trade him. The chance they'll 'lose him for nothing' is next to zero.


    The ball is all in Hertl's court because no team is going to give up anything considerably significant without a guarantee that he will resign with them.
    May 16 at 6:13 p.m.
    #14
    aecliptic
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    Quoting: Klara
    This is definitely an offer SJ should accept. Only question would be if Hertl was willing to waive his NTC and sign an extension with a non-contender.


    Are the Rangers still a non-contender with the addition of Hertl? If not for the slow start to the year because of COVID, the Rangers probably make the playoffs.
    May 16 at 6:22 p.m.
    #15
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    Rangers decline unfortunately.
    May 16 at 6:28 p.m.
    #16
    Who adds what?
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    Sign and trades don't happen in the NHL. The Sharks (in this case) would have to be comfortable passing along a number to Hertl for how much NYR want to pay him. If Hertl declines, SJ doesn't get to trade him, and when he hits UFA, they can't sign him for less than the offer they already showed him.

    Quoting: aecliptic
    Gusev and Galchenyuk for the 4th line? Tom Wilson will be licking his chops every time he plays the Rangers. Easily the softest team in the league.

    The Hertl trade is an overpay. Chytil and a 1st seems to be the consensus acceptable trade for him.


    Were Buchnevich's kicks at Vanecek's leg related to the leg sprain that has Vanecek out of the playoffs a week later? Are you still mad about Wilson tackling Buchnevich for that? Even after Strome and Panarin jumped Wilson to defend the Rangers' goalie kicker?

    I'll let the Sharks fans set you straight about the other stuff.
    May 16 at 7:47 p.m.
    #17
    Your favorite Ranger
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    That is too much for one year of Hertl. I am sure he would waive to New York. We would need extension in place before.
    May 16 at 7:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: aecliptic
    Are the Rangers still a non-contender with the addition of Hertl? If not for the slow start to the year because of COVID, the Rangers probably make the playoffs.


    They probably would be, but being that Hertl is the one who would need to waive, being the "difference making" piece probably doesn't do much for assurance.
    May 16 at 7:56 p.m.
    #19
    aecliptic
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    Quoting: Klara
    They probably would be, but being that Hertl is the one who would need to waive, being the "difference making" piece probably doesn't do much for assurance.


    Under normal circumstances where the Rangers dont have to play the Caps, Pens, Bruins, Isles and Flyers 5-6 times, are the Rangers a playoff team?
    May 16 at 8:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: aecliptic
    Under normal circumstances where the Rangers dont have to play the Caps, Pens, Bruins, Isles and Flyers 5-6 times, are the Rangers a playoff team?


    I don't disagree that NYR would be a much better team with Hertl, it's just that there are so many reasons to be hesitant to waive.
    May 16 at 8:08 p.m.
    #21
    aecliptic
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    Quoting: Klara
    I don't disagree that NYR would be a much better team with Hertl, it's just that there are so many reasons to be hesitant to waive.


    I wouldnt take it personally if he didnt want to play here. Our owner is a POS.
    May 16 at 10:36 p.m.
    #22
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    Quoting: NYRFan92360244
    That is too much for one year of Hertl. I am sure he would waive to New York. We would need extension in place before.


    Extension would be in place
     
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