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Boston if they werent dumb

Created by: hutlife
Initial Creation Date: May 20, 2021
Published: May 20 at 3:34
Team: 2020-21 Boston Bruins
Team Explanation
picks represent players from the trade who are retired
Trades
BOS
  1. Barzal, Mathew
NYI
  1. Senyshyn, Zach
BOS
  1. Connor, Kyle
WPG
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
BOS
  1. Chabot, Thomas
OTT
  1. Zboril, Jakub
BOS
  1. Hamilton, Dougie
CAR
  1. Lauzon, Jérémy
  2. Forsbacka Karlsson, Jakob [Reserve List]
BOS
  1. Seguin, Tyler
DAL
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Smith, Reilly
VGK
  1. 2021 4th round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Thornton, Joe
TOR
  1. 2022 4th round pick (BOS)
  2. 2022 5th round pick (BOS)
  3. 2022 6th round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Kessel, Phil
ARI
  1. 2021 5th round pick (BOS)
  2. 2021 6th round pick (BOS)
  3. 2021 7th round pick (BOS)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • David Backes: $1,500,000 (25%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
BOS
TOR
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
2023
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
37$956,000,000$133,721,838$964,222$2,590,000$822,278,162
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
UFA - 3
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 6
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
$7,000,000
C
RFA - 3
VGK
Smith, Reilly
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Hall, Taylor
$4,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
ARI
Kessel, Phil
$6,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
$9,850,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 6
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kase, Ondrej
$2,600,000
RW
RFA - 1
BOS
Ritchie, Nick
$1,498,925
LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
BOS
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 8
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
$7,000,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 4
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
RFA - 2
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,250,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$2,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Swayman, Jeremy
$925,000
G
RFA - 3
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
BOS
Miller, Kevan
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Kampfer, Steven
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
BOS
Hughes, Cameron
$792,500
C, LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Frederic, Trent
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Blidh, Anton
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuhlman, Karson
$725,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
BOS
Tinordi, Jarred
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
BOS
Studnicka, Jack
$769,167
RW, C
RFA - 2
BOS
McKegg, Greg
$700,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
BOS
Vladar, Daniel
$750,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 3

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May 20 at 3:38
#1
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Boston fans, I'm begging you. Move on
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May 20 at 3:40
#2
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They wouldn't have Hamilton or Seguin if they kept Kessel
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May 20 at 3:43
#3
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Boston fans, I'm begging you. Move on


Boston fans have moved on. I think most are happy with the performance of the team. It’s dopes like this that wake up and think, “you know what? I bet no one has ever thought to do an ACGM about how the bruins drafted poorly in 2015.” The lack of originality is astounding. But this one is particularly lame. It’s like the dud doesn’t get that without a kessel trade, the bruins don’t have seguin or hamilton, and without a hamilton trade, they don’t have some of those draft picks.

I’m pretty happy with the direction of the bruins team, and I think most fans are as well.
May 20 at 3:51
#4
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Boston fans have moved on. I think most are happy with the performance of the team. It’s dopes like this that wake up and think, “you know what? I bet no one has ever thought to do an ACGM about how the bruins drafted poorly in 2015.” The lack of originality is astounding. But this one is particularly lame. It’s like the dud doesn’t get that without a kessel trade, the bruins don’t have seguin or hamilton, and without a hamilton trade, they don’t have some of those draft picks.

I’m pretty happy with the direction of the bruins team, and I think most fans are as well.


I can think of at least 20 franchises that would like to have the success the Bruins have had over the past 12 years.
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May 20 at 3:52
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
I can think of at least 20 franchises that would like to have the success the Bruins have had over the past 12 years.


Other than chicago, LA, Tampa, and Pittsburgh it’s basically just been a bunch of one off teams that got hot for a year. Maybe the caps go in that category too. Sustained success is kinda nice.
May 20 at 3:56
#6
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Boston fans, I'm begging you. Move on


Trust me most bruins fans i know have moved on. We all hate when ppl do these bc they're literally negative iq takes.
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May 20 at 4:14
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1. Every team has bad draft picks
2. Connor isn't better than DeBrusk
3. Smith and Kessel aren't actually good
4. Seguin is kinda overrated

But the Thornton trade and reasoning was utter garbage. And even if I don't rate Seguin the highest, the reasoning was really dumb there too, same sort of goes for Smith.
The Hamilton trade was terrible and the reasoning behind it even worse. He's probably the best defenseman in the league, if anything beaten by Fox. I think I'd have him just ahead of McAvoy.
I would have loved to have Chabot and Barzal on the Bruins obviously.
May 20 at 4:15
#8
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Boston fans, I'm begging you. Move on


At least 3/4 if not 80-90% of these ACGMs are from non-Bruins fans and most Bruins fans have moved on.
May 20 at 4:32
#9
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Quoting: MelonVK
1. Every team has bad draft picks
2. Connor isn't better than DeBrusk
3. Smith and Kessel aren't actually good
4. Seguin is kinda overrated

But the Thornton trade and reasoning was utter garbage. And even if I don't rate Seguin the highest, the reasoning was really dumb there too, same sort of goes for Smith.
The Hamilton trade was terrible and the reasoning behind it even worse. He's probably the best defenseman in the league, if anything beaten by Fox. I think I'd have him just ahead of McAvoy.
I would have loved to have Chabot and Barzal on the Bruins obviously.


Connor is better than Debrusk.
May 20 at 5:01
#10
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Still mad about the fact we traded a pick that became Kaprizov, but for Boston, they really messed everything in the 2015 draft up except for Debrusk. Even with Debrusk, we could have chosen better players. But what can you do?
May 20 at 5:02
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Connor is better than Debrusk.


bUt COnnOr HAs hIGhEr pOiNT tOTalS

He's not. He's a better shot, and better on the power play, but he's terrible defensively and doesn't really do better than your average player offensively. DeBrusk does. It's more about situation and minutes than anything else between those two.
May 20 at 5:08
#12
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Do this revisionist history for every team.
May 20 at 5:44
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Quoting: MelonVK
bUt COnnOr HAs hIGhEr pOiNT tOTalS

He's not. He's a better shot, and better on the power play, but he's terrible defensively and doesn't really do better than your average player offensively. DeBrusk does. It's more about situation and minutes than anything else between those two.


And what does Debrusk do better on offensive better than the average player?
May 20 at 5:49
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
And what does Debrusk do better on offensive better than the average player?


He creates more shots for himself and his teammates while he's on the ice
May 20 at 6:20
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Quoting: MelonVK
He creates more shots for himself and his teammates while he's on the ice


dude connor is absolutely better than debrusk. what are you on
May 20 at 7:03
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Boston fans, I'm begging you. Move on


I cant imagine its Boston fans that keep making these... most of us dont want to revisit this and have definitely moved on.
May 20 at 7:16
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Quoting: shmoeman
dude connor is absolutely better than debrusk. what are you on


He gets outshot consistently on the Wpg top or second line, while DeBrusk does the opposite on the Bruins second or third line. It isn't really close unless you look at points to draw all your conclusions
May 20 at 7:56
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Quoting: MelonVK
He creates more shots for himself and his teammates while he's on the ice


Yup. Deff creates more shots for himself alright. Debrusk has 0 30+ goal years. Connor has 3. Debrusk has never scored 50 points in a season. Connor did it 4 times.
May 21 at 12:55
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Yup. Deff creates more shots for himself alright. Debrusk has 0 30+ goal years. Connor has 3. Debrusk has never scored 50 points in a season. Connor did it 4 times.


Yeah. Stick DeBrusk up for 20 minutes a night with Bergeron and Marchand and see whathappens. Also, I don't care if you score more goals even in a similar situation if you make sure to give up more shots the other way - which Connor does. Or do we not care about defense now?
May 21 at 4:37
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Quoting: MelonVK
Yeah. Stick DeBrusk up for 20 minutes a night with Bergeron and Marchand and see whathappens. Also, I don't care if you score more goals even in a similar situation if you make sure to give up more shots the other way - which Connor does. Or do we not care about defense now?

You think every player focuses more on defense than offense? Ever hear of a player named Alexander ovechkin?
May 21 at 4:38
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
You think every player focuses more on defense than offense? Ever hear of a player named Alexander ovechkin?


Yeah - Ovechkin would be better if he was better at playing defense. It's really not that hard.

But I can already tell you determine who's a good player first, and what goes into being a good player secondly, so this discussion is pointless
May 21 at 6:09
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Quoting: MelonVK
Yeah - Ovechkin would be better if he was better at playing defense. It's really not that hard.

But I can already tell you determine who's a good player first, and what goes into being a good player secondly, so this discussion is pointless

You’re only focusing on defense because debrusk had like 14 points this year lmao
May 21 at 7:52
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
You’re only focusing on defense because debrusk had like 14 points this year lmao


No, DeBrusk is offensively stronger as well - again, it's about situation. But I always care about defense. To elude to your previous example - I don't think Ovechkin is one of the best players in the league like many others do.

And some players are good defensively but still bad - like Carlo. He is pretty good defensively, but he's so bad offensively that he shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes outside of a shutdown 3rd pairing, d-zone start type of role.
May 21 at 11:45
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Quoting: MelonVK
No, DeBrusk is offensively stronger as well - again, it's about situation. But I always care about defense. To elude to your previous example - I don't think Ovechkin is one of the best players in the league like many others do.

And some players are good defensively but still bad - like Carlo. He is pretty good defensively, but he's so bad offensively that he shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes outside of a shutdown 3rd pairing, d-zone start type of role.


Debrusk is not good defensively and hes weak on the boards/puck. Ive always liked Debrusk but i take Connor over him 95% of the time.

also completely disagree with your Carlo take
May 21 at 1:07
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Quoting: shmoeman
Debrusk is not good defensively and hes weak on the boards/puck. Ive always liked Debrusk but i take Connor over him 95% of the time.

also completely disagree with your Carlo take


DeBrusk is slightly below average defensively- a lot of what he doesn't do in puck battles he does by moving the puck from d-zone to o-zone or skating a passer out of trouble.

Connor is wayyy below average. Like, terrible att playing defense. Shots fly his teams direction when he's out there, even if you control for everything.

DeBrusk makes more offense than expected from his situation. The opposite is true for Connor.
 
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