add Miller, Kakko and Mika

I'd say Shestyorkin is as close to an untouchable as you can get. I'm not saying he's more valuable than McDavid, but he's proven to be elite at his position and his position is more valuable than McDavid's.

Fox doesn't want to play anywhere but NY he forced his way out of 2 organizations

EDM rejects

Deangelo buyout is dirt cheap. Reckon NYR would rather just do that.

Also trading Fox isn't viable. He won't play anywhere else but NYR.

Cool, McDavid is the most untouchable player in the league and is proven to be elite at his position

Add All of James Dolan's holdings.

lol jk McDavid goes for like 4 1sts + Kravtsov + Jones + Schneider. and that's more than what Gretzky got.

Cool. And what did the series between Edmonton and Winnipeg teach us? That without goaltending, it doesn't matter how good your #1 centre is.

Be interested to know what your definition of elite is

There's no such thing as a fair trade for Connor McDavid. If Edmonton trades another generational player out of the organization, they should just fold the franchise.

I’d say no if I’m rangers they need fox

Im not sure why you're even comparing McDavid and Shesterkin. McDavid is more valueable

I’m truly lost Deangelo who put up crazy numbers last year but was out al but 6 games this year and a 2nd for an AHL/NHL tweener???? What’s the catch?

I get why nobody would want to trade 97 but I’m not sure you can get a offer better than this.

He said that. No one would even question that. His point was that if the Rangers made that trade we would then be the 1 trick pony that EDM is now. 200 pts seasons and bubble team. No real success. NJ without a Marty would have never gone anywhere special. Rangers without Lundqvist the same. EDM without a G is exactly what we are seeing. This is the point he was making, an elite rookie G that is only going to get better is untouchable in the sense that it would be dumb to move him like it would be dumb to trade McD. EDM needs to build a proper roster so they don’t waste those contracts

Can you not read? I literally said I wasn't saying McDavid wasn't. I said Shestyorkin is elite at his position and his POSITION IS MORE VALUABLE. Rangers trade Shestyorkin and they turn into the Oilers.. can score but can't keep the puck out of their net. How well did that do the Oilers this season? 0-4 in playoffs for a reason. Their structure is garbage.

Again, what is your definition of elite

A career .921sv% on a weak defensive team is elite.

The guy has 47 career games lol. Looking at the numbers since last year among goalies with at least 20 games he ranks....

SA/60 - 11th
SV% - 6th
GAA - 22nd

He's been good, but lets not throw the elite label around so easily lol. His number took a dip this year from last year and honestly he feasted on non-playoff teams in the East division this past season:

Shesterkin vs non-playoff teams:
10-4-1 / 2.09 GAA / 0.934 SV% / 2 SO

Shesterkin vs playoff teams:
6-10-2 / 3.12 GAA / 0.899 SV% / 0 SO

Also lets not look past the fact that roughly 1 in 3 games for Shesterkin have come against Buffalo or New Jersey. Those two teams over the last two years rank 25th and 26th in goals scored, so not exactly teams that give goalies problems.

He stops the puck 92.1% of the time. For a goalie, that's what you look at. & by you're stats, you're saying he ranks 6th in the department among goalies over the last 2 seasons. Being #6 in the best league in the world isn't elite? I think the more crucial thing here is what you don't consider elite.

Rangers wouldn't trade Shestyorkin in any deal unless it involved a better goalie coming back. That's not even debatable.

Lol I look at alot of different things along w/ SV% when looking at goalies. To base something solely on one stat is insane and a terrible way to evaluate a player. If he's so elite why did he struggle against playoff teams this year?

The team in front of him?

Wanna know a different stat? His high danger sv% was .893%. Andrew Vasilevskiy's was .873% ... so you're saying someone that does better in tougher scoring chances than arguably the best goalie in the game isn't elite? Lol. Okay.

So he's elite except for when he plays poorly against playoff teams, then its the team fault

You can spin this anyway you want, but saying Shesterkin is elite when he's played all of 47 games in the NHL is laughable at best. Is Corey Crawford elite? His #'s are right in line with Shesterkin over the last 2 years. How about Pavel Francouz? his numbers are right in line with Sherterkin over the last 2 years too. See you cherry pick a few stats and ignore everything else. Just like you blame is poor play against playoff teams on the team in front of him. You find the things that fit your argument and then try and use them and them only to prove your point. You want to think he's elite after 47 games with 33% of them coming against the bottom feeders of the NHL, then have at it. When he's backstopping his team to the playoffs and in talks for the Vezina year after year while being one of the top goalies in the NHL, then I can take the elite talk seriously.

EV strength save percentage: 92.4%
Save percentage with team on PP: 100%
Save percentage while team on PK: 85%
Good scoring chances save percentage: 94.3
High danger scoring chances save percentage: 89.3

So the guy is elite in 4 of 5 categories and the one where he isn't he's still above average or at least average in (PK save percentage), and you still wanna sit there and say he's not? Whatever you have against the guy, cool. But he's proven he's elite. Hard to blame a guy for having lesser numbers when the team is short handed, in other words as I said before "when the team isn't good in front of him". But sure. Because you gave me one stat and your personal opinion, let's say he's not elite. Seems legit.

Like I said 47 games lol. If the NHL redrafted today no way in hell is he one of the first 5 goalies selected.

PP SV% are you serious lol. Do you know how many goalies this year had a 1.00 SV% with their team on the PP? I count 10 w/ at least 20GP (31 if you ignore 20gp)

I count 7 guys w/ a better PK SV% and WTF is "good scoring chance SV%" because I've never heard for it.

Again you want to think he's elite then go ahead, but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't a NYR homer to agree. Hell I live in Ranger country and all the Rangers fans I've talked to wouldn't call him elite.

With that I'm out because your not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours