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Im not sure why we keep acting surprised

Created by: MelonVK
Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2021
Published: May 27, 2021
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When the methodology of the teambuilding isn't sound.

You don't win games by scoring goals, you win games by scoring more goals than your opponent does.

Every player I signed and re-signed has a positive isolated defensive impact, and more importantly, positive isolated net impact at 5on5. So does JEE. Dumba is an interesting offensive weapon at D, and at least breaks even in terms of isolated shot impact (unlike Barrie who's awful).

I think most teams would see Draisaitl as an incredible asset. But the fact is he plays a *ton* of soft minutes and doesn't really producde much better than expected, powerplay excluded where he's really good. But ultimately, when the playoffs roll around and you hardly get any PP-time anyways, I'm not sure a team that already has McDavid needs to pay for the luxury of having another really good pp-producer.

Keeping for example RNH would be fine here. The only issue is that cap hit correlates mostly with points, and again, a lot of high scoring players make points happen both directions. RNH isn't awful, but defensively solid players that still produce well - like Tatar and Coleman are more underappreciated and would probably cost less money in the end, somehow.

Edmonton has the assets to compete, but the constant handouts of dubious contracts, both in terms of length and cap hit, to unproven players when actual talent is out there is confusing at best. Then there's the post-hoc justifications, like playing a pretty terrible and overpaid Kassian over guys like Russell and Nygård, not because of solid impacts, but because you decided to pay one of them after sticking him to McDavid for a while.

Man, it's not even that unrealistic. If Minnesota doesn't want to trade, check on Larkin with Detroit, or Hertl is San José, or literally anyone who is good defensively and not overpaid because of their production in a relatively bad team situation.
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May 27, 2021 at 7:37 a.m.
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Leon had the highest +/- in the league, the idea he's not good defensively is laughable. His contract is amazing and it would be a bad idea to trade, the team who gets the best player typically ends up winning the trade. Edmonton's biggest deficiency is not having enough fire power so teams can key on McDavid and Draisiatl and then there aren't enough players who can drive offense to score. Typically you see some form of the trap. It's tedious and boring to play this way and not required for most opponents so the Oilers don't see it as much during the regular season but come playoff time, even an offensive minded team like Winnipeg rolls it out.

The solution to this is get more physical offensive guys who can drive scoring. Hopefully for three scoring lines and guys who are strong enough and capable of fighting/playing through the trap. Coleman would be one, Tatar I'm not sure about.
May 27, 2021 at 8:43 a.m.
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I mean... If you WANT to give a Hart-winner away then we'll gladly take him
May 27, 2021 at 8:56 a.m.
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Quoting: TheGreatBigMac
Leon had the highest +/- in the league, the idea he's not good defensively is laughable. His contract is amazing and it would be a bad idea to trade, the team who gets the best player typically ends up winning the trade. Edmonton's biggest deficiency is not having enough fire power so teams can key on McDavid and Draisiatl and then there aren't enough players who can drive offense to score. Typically you see some form of the trap. It's tedious and boring to play this way and not required for most opponents so the Oilers don't see it as much during the regular season but come playoff time, even an offensive minded team like Winnipeg rolls it out.

The solution to this is get more physical offensive guys who can drive scoring. Hopefully for three scoring lines and guys who are strong enough and capable of fighting/playing through the trap. Coleman would be one, Tatar I'm not sure about.


using +/- as an argument for a plyer to be better defensively is even more laughable
May 27, 2021 at 9:01 a.m.
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Giving the apparent declining 30 year Tatar a five year contract....More expensive mediocrity.
May 27, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
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Quoting: TheGreatBigMac
Leon had the highest +/- in the league, the idea he's not good defensively is laughable. His contract is amazing and it would be a bad idea to trade, the team who gets the best player typically ends up winning the trade. Edmonton's biggest deficiency is not having enough fire power so teams can key on McDavid and Draisiatl and then there aren't enough players who can drive offense to score. Typically you see some form of the trap. It's tedious and boring to play this way and not required for most opponents so the Oilers don't see it as much during the regular season but come playoff time, even an offensive minded team like Winnipeg rolls it out.

The solution to this is get more physical offensive guys who can drive scoring. Hopefully for three scoring lines and guys who are strong enough and capable of fighting/playing through the trap. Coleman would be one, Tatar I'm not sure about.


You have plenty of fighting "scorers". Draisaitls +/- is so high because he gets put in favorable situations. He still manages to produce more offense than average for his situation, but even more is coming back his direction. His defensive ability seems fine to you because your methods of evaluating it are poor.
May 27, 2021 at 12:32 p.m.
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Giving the apparent declining 30 year Tatar a five year contract....More expensive mediocrity.


Tatar is an incredible producer of offense considering his situation. He's not declining by any measures but ice time.
May 27, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.
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I mean... If you WANT to give a Hart-winner away then we'll gladly take him


Well, I'm neither Edmonton or a fan of their team, but I don't think this trade would have the positive effect on your team you think it would
Jun. 21, 2021 at 6:42 p.m.
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Quoting: TheGreatBigMac
Leon had the highest +/- in the league, the idea he's not good defensively is laughable. His contract is amazing and it would be a bad idea to trade, the team who gets the best player typically ends up winning the trade. Edmonton's biggest deficiency is not having enough fire power so teams can key on McDavid and Draisiatl and then there aren't enough players who can drive offense to score. Typically you see some form of the trap. It's tedious and boring to play this way and not required for most opponents so the Oilers don't see it as much during the regular season but come playoff time, even an offensive minded team like Winnipeg rolls it out.

The solution to this is get more physical offensive guys who can drive scoring. Hopefully for three scoring lines and guys who are strong enough and capable of fighting/playing through the trap. Coleman would be one, Tatar I'm not sure about.

The advanced analytics showed he may have had a historically bad season defensively.
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