No deal lol

for leafs or in general. i imagine Capitals can get a 2nd for him doesn't really need to be the Leafs

the pens can get a big dmen on the FA market and he'll likely be cheaper

like who?

Definitely getting a second, but I think the Leafs want to give Lili a genuine shot. He gets traded a lot on here because he isn't as touted as Robertson, Sandin, or Amirov, but I dont think Dubas has interest in moving him

I’d give a second for sure, but not with Liljegren on top.

yeah idk much about him but like i said i would be cool with just getting a 2nd round pick back. Capitals have 0 RHD prospects that excite me lol

tbh V V value is a solid 2nd so i dont blame you. like i said saw it in a post earlier didn't know much about the prospect.

nemeth and merrill are two guys who come to mind. nemeth definitely brings the size and he'd be cheaper. merrill is good defensively and isn't afraid to use his body. and this is nothing against dillon but they could get a guy similar to him but cheaper

Dillon is only joining the pens with someone retaining. He also does not cost MP who has a good chance at bringing in a solid return, where Dillon is little more than a WSH cap dump the pens will rehab.
We'll give you Riikola for him, to even out the contract but that's as far as that goes..

thats a sizable downgrade from Dillon. wouldn't do that maybe sign them as a 7th dman

idk Penguins want to get gritty and your GMs have a history of making terrible deals to accomplish this... new GM but same story line. imo

Dillon scored as many points this year as Suter, Weber, and Subban. Four way tie for 61st among defensemen. Dillon could beat up all three at once, with one hand behind his back. He is at half of each of their cap hits. Teams trade for those three all the time (edited: on here. Nobody's traded for Suter yet, IRL). Nobody is retaining on Brenden Dillon this summer.

it's not about the player coming to the penguins, I've proposed that idea already. But it was done with retention because that's what the penguins would need. There is also no way they give up Pettersson for him. He has value, they aren't giving up value for a guy who needs to be rehabbed.
Dillon is a cap dump for WSH. I don't know how you can see all these frustrated WSH acgm posts and not figure that out. Do I think he can be rehabbed in the right role, yes I do, much like Ceci was.
But he's very limited as a player because he doesn't skate well. WSH knows this. Which is why they want to move him.

hockey isn't about beating people up. Hell he didn't beat anyone up while BOS was abusing OV face with a hockey stick.
Defense isn't about points. Everyone who's ever played hockey knows this.
It's not an argument of him being a cap dump for WSH either, he is. They A. need cap space, and B. know he isn't a strong skater which has made him a liability in his own end.
Which isn't what anyone wants in a defenseman. If you want proof of that look to a mound of ACGM on here with caps fans complaining. Not that ACGM values mean much. We all know that isn't true.
Now, no one is saying he can't turn it around, but no one is going to pay a better player to rehab a guy. Period. Dillon does not cost you MP and the penguins cap situation is one such that he isn't coming to the penguins with out retention. As their cap situation isn't much better than WSH. Everyone has known all year long they have to move cap off their blueline. Dillon is a 3LD here and probably everywhere he goes due to the defensive issues at this point. They don't have 4mil to dump on the 3LD. Period. Which is true for most teams.

“ But it was done with retention because that's what the penguins would need” exactly you are thinking about the Penguins needs and don’t consider the Capitals needs. They can easily trade Dillon he’s a top 4 Dman

Pettersson had 9 points in 47gp. That’s a 15 point pace.
51.35cf%. 52.33ff%. 51.54 xgf%

Dillon had 19points in 56gp that’s a 28 point pace.
50.40cf%. 50.65ff%. 51.56xgf%

Lmfao I love how Dillon is basically a “cap dump” but Pettersson isn’t and has drastically more trade value even with worse offensive production and equal xgf%

Pettersson had 9 points in 47gp. That’s a 15 point pace.
51.35cf%. 52.33ff%. 51.54 xgf%

Dillon had 19points in 56gp that’s a 28 point pace.
50.40cf%. 50.65ff%. 51.56xgf%

Lmfao Dillon is actually the better player. Funny

dude you over here wanting to talk about numbers but leave out the part that Dillon was bleeding goals at 150% rate per minute on the ice as Pettersson. You are lookng at a .044 to a .029.
Thanks for playing.
I know it's hard to imagine this, but defense isn't about points, especially when it's at a 28point pace per season. You have to play your own zone, he struggled. It's why caps fans want him gone. Believe me if he didn't you wouldn't be hearing a word.

No matter how you look at this. He's a player who's not particularly an offensive player who struggled in his own zone outside of a sheltered role.
You think teams are paying 4 mil for years on that trade. I'm telling you good luck on that.
His immobility makes him a 3LD candidate aka a sheltered guy who you don't put in the harder situations. In a league with a flat cap for 2 years straight, teams don't have 4 mil for a 3LD. Hell they didn't have it last year either, which is why you saw moves like Nate Schmidt for a 3rd.

Even with the market in your favor, with the way the game keeps changing not being able to skate makes it harder and harder to move guys.
No one wants a pylon back there. WSH didn't figure that out last year, hence the mistake of Chara.
Everyone else is.

Lol xgf% are equal. Unless you don’t understand what that means? Both players are identical. Thanks for playing ?Defense isn’t about points but when players have similar defensive skill sets I use points to tie break. Yeah penguins are fast and mobile and have won 3 playoffs games in 3 years lol. Teams are looking at add grit bud. Your GM said that’s what they are looking to add. If Dillon is a 3LD so is Pettersson. Ignore the facts but you claim DILLON is average but you made threads trading for him. Your a living contradiction.

Offense - Dillon by a mile
Defense - Equal
Possession- Pettersson

You might be too bias to have a reasonable opinion about this.

you're over here talking about xgf in a season that's over and calling me bias.
Seasons over dude, he coughed up 150% more ACTUAL goals. That isn't equal and clearly between the two of us, failure to accept that shows the real bias and inability to have a reasonable opinion about this.
You don't see me here trying to explain away the numbers. Only you are doing that. I completely admit Dillon got more points. But really, it doesn't make up for bleeding 150% more goals. Not even close.
Which is why one is a 3LD and the other isn't. Because MP was used in a way that allowed him to be used anywhere on the ice.
But Dillon clearly can't skate and was asked to do way to much in WSH. Which is why he bled goals and almost every WSH acgm has him out the door with comments like anywhere.....
Yes I traded for him, as a 3LD. I also put MP as a 2LD.
There is no contradiction there.
One can skate, one can't. The one that can't, needs to have a more defined role than the one that can. It's really that simple.
I clearly admit DIllon is capable of turning it around.......like Ceci did. In a defined role, that plays to his skill set, and limits his exposer to things he can't do.
But teams aren't paying 4 million per for that. You aren't winning games when you bleed goals all over the place. That's that.
So let me know when you are ready to accept reality of what actually happened and that Dillon bleeds way more goals. That defense isn't about points, and they clearly are not the same.

Capital literally won the exact same amount of games as the Penguins lol... actually same amount of points 1less win. the season is still going on unless i missed the winner of the cup? lol how dare i use stats from the most recent NHL season...oh man what was i thinking. xgf% is the best tool i can think of to give clarity of shot quality to determine which team is expected to score more goals when a certain player is on the ice lol . thats basically defense...itll dive more in

39blks 51hits 51.54xgf% 16:29toi (7th on penguins Dmen.... just behind POJ) lol 3rd pairing guy
61bks 143hits 51.56xgf% 18:57toi (4th on capitals dmen....4secondsbehind schultz for 3rd) 2nd pairing guy

lmfao Pettersson is the Penguins #6 dman. I'm questioning how much you know bout your own team....doesnt seem like you know alot

The season is still going on?
Last I looked WSH and PIT have both cleared out the locker room and are on vacation. Your inability to recognize basic facts is the problem here.
MP is also not the pens #6 Dman, you clearly don't watch games.

We are done here. You are delusional. You can't even recognize the season being over for teams that are officially on vacation.

"The season is still going on?" lol i dont have a time machine that will allows me to retrieve stats from the 21-22 season so i guess we should use the 20-21 season since it just happened. you know makes logical sense lol. ... you really criticized me for using 20-21 stats. Mp plays the least amount of minutes for the Penguins (defense) ? dont you usually play your best players the most or does Tanev get more ice than Crosby .....solid take

lol thank goodness... yes I'm the delusional one

Pettersson was +8 this year, with 9 pts. Dillon was +15 this year, with 19 pts. plus/minus isn't the best stat for comparing goals for and against, but it's not a terrible one. Also, since most guys played just half the year, 19 pts tied Dillon for 61st in points among defensemen. I can't believe I'm writing this, but some team might make a trade offer on Dillon for his offense. I'm not sure whether he'd keep that up without significant time with Carlson and Schultz, but given how much Schultz improved this year over last year, it's just as possible that Schultz wouldn't be as good at offense without all the time he spent with Dillon.


eta: you could try to figure that out, by looking at what kind of #*(*$ LHD Schultz was stuck with on PIttsburgh's third pair back in 2019-20.

I still think Pettersson for Dillon is a one for one, because of age and different styles, but Dillon is all around better right now.

lol guy is claiming Dillon is a 3rd pairing guy when he plays 2..5 minute more/ game than MP. MP is 7th in toi/a for the penguins. xgf% is the best stat to measure offense vs defense and they are identical. Also dont use 20-21 stats with him bc that season is over now so it must have never happened lol.