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Continuing the Yzerplan

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This is a bit of a swing.
With Vasilevsky being as established and good as he is at only 26 Tampa should be pretty set, other than Petruzelli, who IRL is unsigned Detroit's Goalie pipeline is looking weak.
The picks are low value, but give Detroit the opportunity to take more swings on underscouted players.
This could, value wise be a little low for Detroit, but it gives 3 swings for the future, Johnson fills a position of need for now, is a known quantity to the GM. I would honestly believe Yzerman could do better, but would personally be happy with this for the reasons above.
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      May 28, 2021 at 10:23 a.m.
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      How bout instead of trading for a fringe goalie, Detroit just drafts their own in Wallstadt or Cossa who both have a higher ceiling. Then save the cap space of Johnson for no reason
      May 28, 2021 at 10:31 a.m.
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      Edited May 28, 2021 at 10:51 a.m.
      canucks decline again.Benning has stated several times he will NOT use picks to get rid of louies contract period. There is more chance of him being bought out.in my opinion.
      May 28, 2021 at 10:32 a.m.
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      Based on the UFA re-signs, paying Vrana more than Bert and offering years into both of their UFA term, and your line pairing makes me think you don't watch hockey beyond a fan perspective.
      May 28, 2021 at 10:34 a.m.
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      Quoting: TrueCanuck
      How bout instead of trading for a fringe goalie, Detroit just drafts their own in Wallstadt or Cossa who both have a higher ceiling. Then save the cap space of Johnson for no reason


      It's an interesting take, and in theory I don't hate it. However if Wellstedt turns out as good as projected he will need to be paid, commanding likely 9-13% of the cap (~$8.5m-$10.5m equivalent), and I believe that that is too much. When a goalie who is paid that much is not performing you have a very expensive bench-warmer. When a skater of the equivalent cap hit is not performing you have 17 other players to pick up the slack.
      I would rather have a 1A 1B tandem at $3-5m each, and be able to invest the rest of the draft capital into other positions.
      May 28, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
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      So I go back and forth with Johnson. Yes he will help the scoring and offensively hes a better option than we have in house as a top 6 center. As long as he isnt taking minutes from ras or veleno I guess so. What it would take for us to pull the trigger on the deal Idk but I hope its more than a goalie prospect.
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      May 28, 2021 at 10:36 a.m.
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      It's an interesting take, and in theory I don't hate it. However if Wellstedt turns out as good as projected he will need to be paid, commanding likely 9-13% of the cap (~$8.5m-$10.5m equivalent), and I believe that that is too much. When a goalie who is paid that much is not performing you have a very expensive bench-warmer. When a skater of the equivalent cap hit is not performing you have 17 other players to pick up the slack.
      I would rather have a 1A 1B tandem at $3-5m each, and be able to invest the rest of the draft capital into other positions.


      You do realize that that kind of contract for Wallstadt is probably 7-10 years down the road right? I don't think you worry about that kind of contract right now at all.
      May 28, 2021 at 10:39 a.m.
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      I think part of the Yzerplan will be trading Bert.
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      May 28, 2021 at 11:03 a.m.
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      Based on the UFA re-signs, paying Vrana more than Bert and offering years into both of their UFA term, and your line pairing makes me think you don't watch hockey beyond a fan perspective.


      Yeah, the D pairs are a bit of a mess, lol, have gone back and edited.
      Vrana gets paid more then Bertuzzi because he is the better player overall.
      They are offered years into their UFA because I have faith that at the time of re-signing the roster will be better and a more attractive place to stay, it means that their contract renewal is after Johnson is off the books. Having Bertuzzi, Vrana and Hronek up for renewall on the same year is no issue, I would be more worried about prospects being up for renewall at that point as those will be the big money contracts.
      Forward lines are trickier, but I think with the line combinations above you at least have some identity, the top line is a speed and skill group with a major scoring threat and good transition game, the 2nd line is still somewhat skilled but would would play at a bit slower of a pace so would be a bit more focussed on possession. I wouldnt live or die by the bottom 6, but I would also expect this team to finish particularly high. Ryan is a solid mentor for Ras and Veleno, who's games seem to compliment one another.

      You can argue otherwise, and that's fine.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:04 a.m.
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      So I go back and forth with Johnson. Yes he will help the scoring and offensively hes a better option than we have in house as a top 6 center. As long as he isnt taking minutes from ras or veleno I guess so. What it would take for us to pull the trigger on the deal Idk but I hope its more than a goalie prospect.


      Yeah, as said above I would expect and want more, but I could look at that deal and be content.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:07 a.m.
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      You do realize that that kind of contract for Wallstadt is probably 7-10 years down the road right? I don't think you worry about that kind of contract right now at all.


      That deal should be signed when the roster is in it's competitive window, so that's the time I would plan for.
      Based on Wallstadt it should be a bit sooner than that, I reckon D+3 he's in the NHL, so his ELC is expiring D+5 or D+6 might be able to get a bridge in, but that puts the price of the big boy contract up.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:08 a.m.
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      I think part of the Yzerplan will be trading Bert.


      Yeah, while I could see those being the contracts for Vrana and Bertuzzi at least one of those players finishes the contract with another team.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:11 a.m.
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      That deal should be signed when the roster is in it's competitive window, so that's the time I would plan for.
      Based on Wallstadt it should be a bit sooner than that, I reckon D+3 he's in the NHL, so his ELC is expiring D+5 or D+6 might be able to get a bridge in, but that puts the price of the big boy contract up.


      If you're window to win is 7-10 years down the road, you have other issues to worry about than a future 3rd contract of a franchise goalie.

      Realistically, pick Wallstadt this season. Even if he signs his ELC this season he's going back to Europe for 1, likely 2 seasons. Then he comes over and burns 3 years of his ELC. Then likely signs a 3 year bridge deal. So now you're 8 years down the road when he signs a big contract when the cap will have gone up by then, and the market for goalie may drop with more teams going to a tandem. I don't think that's a smart way to judge drafting a guy or not.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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      Quoting: remowilliams
      canucks decline again.Benning has stated several times he will NOT use picks to get rid of louies contract period. There is more chance of him being bought out.in my opinion.


      So i'm somewhat using picks as a placeholder for value, you could take out the picks and replace with prospects of equivalent value. A buyout would be an issue for Vancouver as thats puts them at $64.5m cap with Pettersson, Hughes, 2 further roster defencemen 2 roster forwards, a replacement for whoever gets picked in the expansion draft and then the extras.
      They'll need to make a move to shed salary and dealing with Detroit is prefreable to Seattle as they are out of conferance.
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      May 28, 2021 at 11:16 a.m.
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      So i'm somewhat using picks as a placeholder for value, you could take out the picks and replace with prospects of equivalent value. A buyout would be an issue for Vancouver as thats puts them at $64.5m cap with Pettersson, Hughes, 2 further roster defencemen 2 roster forwards, a replacement for whoever gets picked in the expansion draft and then the extras.
      They'll need to make a move to shed salary and dealing with Detroit is prefreable to Seattle as they are out of conferance.


      Jim says hes gonna be aggressive soooo you just dont know lol
      May 28, 2021 at 11:18 a.m.
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      Quoting: TrueCanuck
      If you're window to win is 7-10 years down the road, you have other issues to worry about than a future 3rd contract of a franchise goalie.

      Realistically, pick Wallstadt this season. Even if he signs his ELC this season he's going back to Europe for 1, likely 2 seasons. Then he comes over and burns 3 years of his ELC. Then likely signs a 3 year bridge deal. So now you're 8 years down the road when he signs a big contract when the cap will have gone up by then, and the market for goalie may drop with more teams going to a tandem. I don't think that's a smart way to judge drafting a guy or not.


      Its not a hill I would die on, this is my rationalisation for why you would not take Wallstadt there, rather than personal belief. I quite like Wallstadt at our pick if we don't win the lottery, though depending how other teams pick there are other players I might target first.
      I also don't want to downplay Alnefelt yet, he would enter the system and instantly be our best goalie prospect.
      May 28, 2021 at 11:19 a.m.
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      Jim says hes gonna be aggressive soooo you just dont know lol


      It would be very on brand for Yzerman to talk Jim Benning into doing something he has explicitly stated he will not do.
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      May 28, 2021 at 11:30 a.m.
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      Edited May 28, 2021 at 12:34 p.m.
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      It's an interesting take, and in theory I don't hate it. However if Wellstedt turns out as good as projected he will need to be paid, commanding likely 9-13% of the cap (~$8.5m-$10.5m equivalent), and I believe that that is too much. When a goalie who is paid that much is not performing you have a very expensive bench-warmer. When a skater of the equivalent cap hit is not performing you have 17 other players to pick up the slack.
      I would rather have a 1A 1B tandem at $3-5m each, and be able to invest the rest of the draft capital into other positions.

      I can understand the philosophy of having two competent goalies in a tandem. I just don’t understand why you’d go after Hugo when you can routinely sign those tandem type guys as free agents if he progresses to that point. Goalies don’t hold too much value until they’ve proven something at the NHL level. Also, most Tampa fans have claimed JB said Hugo was “off limit” or “untouchable” or something to that effect.

      If we look at teams that have had continued success in the salary cap era they’ve typically had a bonafide work horse goalie. Chicago had Crawford, Boston with Thomas then Rask, Pitt with Flower, LA with Quick. At the same time going all in on a goalie can result in a Panthers Bobrovsky so maybe having familiarity with the goalie through your farm system & then multiple years at the NHL level before that big contract has extreme value.

      I’m not, however, an advocate of using a top 5/10 pick on a goalie. If he’s available in the teens like Askarov/Knight I’d entertain a trade up from Washington’s pick (23-24ish) to get Wallstedt but there are others projected in the teens/20s I’d prefer like Lambos.
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      May 28, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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      Quoting: TrueCanuck
      If you're window to win is 7-10 years down the road, you have other issues to worry about than a future 3rd contract of a franchise goalie.

      Realistically, pick Wallstadt this season. Even if he signs his ELC this season he's going back to Europe for 1, likely 2 seasons. Then he comes over and burns 3 years of his ELC. Then likely signs a 3 year bridge deal. So now you're 8 years down the road when he signs a big contract when the cap will have gone up by then, and the market for goalie may drop with more teams going to a tandem. I don't think that's a smart way to judge drafting a guy or not.


      Picking a G in the first round is the stupidest thing a team can do. Especially one that needs D and C.
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      May 28, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
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      I think part of the Yzerplan will be trading Bert.


      I think his next deal will say it all, If its a short deal hes definitely gone. If he goes for a good number for a longer type deal 4 years atleast I'll think he'll be around a while.
      May 28, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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      Picking a G in the first round is the stupidest thing a team can do. Especially one that needs D and C.


      Yeah, cause Andrew Vasilevskiy worked out terrible the last time Yzerman picked a goalie in the first round. 😂
      May 28, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: remowilliams
      canucks decline again.Benning has stated several times he will NOT use picks to get rid of louies contract period. There is more chance of him being bought out.in my opinion.


      A buyout would be a net loss in cap space so ya Benning will probably just buy him out
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      May 28, 2021 at 12:58 p.m.
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      Yeah, cause Andrew Vasilevskiy worked out terrible the last time Yzerman picked a goalie in the first round. 😂


      Try a different argument. That one doesn't work.
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      May 28, 2021 at 12:59 p.m.
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      I think his next deal will say it all, If its a short deal hes definitely gone. If he goes for a good number for a longer type deal 4 years atleast I'll think he'll be around a while.


      I suppose, but based on the return we got for Mantha I hope he is gone haha
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      May 28, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
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      Quoting: redw1n9s
      Try a different argument. That one doesn't work.


      Why doesn't it work? Because it completely says you're wrong? 😂 give you're ego a rest kid. Sometimes we're wrong. Nothing wrong with it. Admit it and learn something from it.
      May 28, 2021 at 1:06 p.m.
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      Quoting: TrueCanuck
      Why doesn't it work? Because it completely says you're wrong? 😂 give you're ego a rest kid. Sometimes we're wrong. Nothing wrong with it. Admit it and learn something from it.


      No, because it defies logic lol...I'll let you figure it out on your own.
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