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What makes it work

Created by: Ragsandbluesfan
Initial Creation Date: May 30, 2021
Published: May 30 at 3:31
Team: 2021-22 Dallas Stars
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Heiskanen, Miro8$8,000,000
Kiviranta, Joel1$1,600,000
Dickinson, Jason1$1,600,000
Kase, Ondrej1$1,400,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Kase, Ondrej$1,400,000No Compensation
Trades
DAL
    SEA
    1. Khudobin, Anton
    DAL
    1. Pettersson, Marcus
    PIT
    1. Tufte, Riley
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (DAL)
    3. 2022 3rd round pick (DAL)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    2022
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    2023
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    DAL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$80,490,580$927,073$1,370,000$1,009,420
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    DAL
    Robertson, Jason
    $795,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    DAL
    Hintz, Roope
    $3,150,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    DAL
    Pavelski, Joe
    $7,000,000
    RW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    DAL
    Benn, Jamie
    $9,500,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    DAL
    Seguin, Tyler
    $9,850,000
    C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    DAL
    Radulov, Alexander
    $6,250,000
    RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 1
    DAL
    Gurianov, Denis
    $2,550,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    DAL
    Dellandrea, Ty
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    Kase, Ondrej
    $1,400,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    DAL
    Dickinson, Jason
    $1,600,000
    C, LW
    RFA
    DAL
    Faksa, Radek
    $3,250,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    DAL
    Kiviranta, Joel
    $1,600,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PIT
    Pettersson, Marcus
    $4,025,175
    LD
    UFA - 4
    DAL
    Heiskanen, Miro
    $8,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 8
    DAL
    Oettinger, Jake
    $925,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    DAL
    Lindell, Esa
    $5,800,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    DAL
    Klingberg, John
    $4,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    DAL
    Bishop, Ben
    $4,916,666
    G
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2
    DAL
    Harley, Thomas
    $863,333
    LD
    RFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    DAL
    Sekera, Andrej
    $1,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    DAL
    Hanley, Joel
    $750,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    DAL
    L'Esperance, Joel
    $725,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1

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    May 30 at 3:45
    #1
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    The Pens except Tufte is a solid prospect plus two 3rds which the pens need picks.
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    May 30 at 4:23
    #2
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    Quoting: Rew77
    The Pens except Tufte is a solid prospect plus two 3rds which the pens need picks.


    Tufte is solid? Guy is 23 and he can't even produce in the AHL. The picks definitely don't make up the value either.
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    May 30 at 4:28
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    Quoting: Rew77
    The Pens except Tufte is a solid prospect plus two 3rds which the pens need picks.


    Tufte has 24 points in his first 90 AHL games 😧

    Even for an early 20s player that's rough

    Meh or mediocre probably a better descriptor
    May 30 at 4:32
    #4
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    The Kase OS is really interesting actually I'm not sure about the timing or the minimum QO etc. but maybe that works and is brilliant and then he's totally CC
    May 30 at 4:32
    #5
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    Quoting: Dpellz90
    Tufte is solid? Guy is 23 and hasn't even played an NHL game yet. The picks definitely don't make up the value either.


    Pettersons vaule is not any more he played sheltered minutes on the third d pairing and has multiple years left on his contract at 4 mil plus. A sheltered third pair dman at 4 mil don't have a lot of trade value. POJ will pass him in the depth chart next year
    May 30 at 4:34
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    Quoting: Radu47
    The Kase OS is really interesting actually I'm not sure about the timing or the minimum QO etc. but maybe that works and is brilliant and then he's totally CC


    In this scenario hes non tendered, the 1.4 is a placeholder so it doesn't take compensation
    May 30 at 4:35
    #7
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    Quoting: Rew77
    Pettersons vaule is not any more he played sheltered minutes on the third d pairing and has multiple years left on his contract at 4 mil plus. A sheltered third pair dman at 4 mil don't have a lot of trade value. POJ will pass him in the depth chart next year


    He's worth more than an AHL bum and some throwaway picks regardless of his deployment.
    May 30 at 4:43
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    Quoting: Dpellz90
    He's worth more than an AHL bum and some throwaway picks regardless of his deployment.


    You won't get a 2nd for him if thats the deciding factor, not after getting outplayed by both Matheson and POJ
    May 30 at 4:45
    #9
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    Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
    You won't get a 2nd for him if thats the deciding factor, not after getting outplayed by both Matheson and POJ


    Pettersson had the best defensive results of any Pens d-man this year. He sure as hell didn't get outplayed by Matheson and POJ.

    Pens are better off keeping him rather than trading him for nothing
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    May 30 at 4:54
    #10
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    Quoting: Dpellz90
    He's worth more than an AHL bum and some throwaway picks regardless of his deployment.

    He is worth a 2nd tops so 2 thirds and a prospect are better for a team that lacks picks and prospects. Tufte is 23 and could get better. Remember that Dumo, Rust were at 23. Also guys that helped win 2 cups like Sheary, Wilson, Kunhackle,made no impact in the NHL until after they were 23. There are hundreds of other examples.
    May 30 at 5:04
    #11
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    Quoting: Rew77
    He is worth a 2nd tops so 2 thirds and a prospect are better for a team that lacks picks and prospects. Tufte is 23 and could get better. Remember that Dumo, Rust were at 23. Also guys that helped win 2 cups like Sheary, Wilson, Kunhackle,made no impact in the NHL until after they were 23. There are hundreds of other examples.


    Tufte isn't a prospect. He has no value. Getting doesn't improve the Pens prospect pool at all. He's 23 and can't even consistently produce in the AHL.

    Your examples are garbage as well. Dumoulin is a d-man, they take longer to develop, he also had a far better scoring rate in the AHL at the same age than Tufte as a defenceman. Rust had better numbers in the AHL when he was 22. Sheary was more than a point per game at 23 in the AHL. Wilson and Kuhnhackl were 4th liners. Nice try.
    May 30 at 5:17
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    Quoting: Dpellz90
    Tufte isn't a prospect. He has no value. Getting doesn't improve the Pens prospect pool at all. He's 23 and can't even consistently produce in the AHL.

    Your examples are garbage as well. Dumoulin is a d-man, they take longer to develop, he also had a far better scoring rate in the AHL at the same age than Tufte as a defenceman. Rust had better numbers in the AHL when he was 22. Sheary was more than a point per game at 23 in the AHL. Wilson and Kuhnhackl were 4th liners. Nice try.


    Ok take out Tufte and you get two thirds if you think Petterson is worth more you belong in the nut house. I'm a Pens fan and now he is the 3rd best LD 4th if you count POJ . He might have good numbers but if you only play shelter minutes and don't then you can jack Johnson.
    3rd pair left handers are not in high demand especially at $4 mil.
    May 30 at 5:55
    #13
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    Quoting: Rew77
    Ok take out Tufte and you get two thirds if you think Petterson is worth more you belong in the nut house. I'm a Pens fan and now he is the 3rd best LD 4th if you count POJ . He might have good numbers but if you only play shelter minutes and don't then you can jack Johnson.
    3rd pair left handers are not in high demand especially at $4 mil.


    I couldn't give less of a sh*t about the fact that you're a Pens fan, it doesn't make you right. Pettersson is a relatively young defenceman signed to a reasonable contract and had the best defensive results of any Pens d-man this year. He's worth more than some mid-round picks. End of story.

    He's their 2nd best LHD after Dumoulin.

    He also happened to have good results last year when he played most of the season on the 2nd pair with Marino. So there goes your "he's a 3rd pair d-man" narrative.
    May 30 at 9:35
    #14
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    Quoting: Rew77
    Pettersons vaule is not any more he played sheltered minutes on the third d pairing and has multiple years left on his contract at 4 mil plus. A sheltered third pair dman at 4 mil don't have a lot of trade value. POJ will pass him in the depth chart next year


    Pettersson has no value and he sucks.....can he start for Dallas if we give you some scraps. tears of joy
     
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