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Disappointment RETOOL marner for eichel

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NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION...

sabres fans might argue that the return for eichel isn't enough. fair, but can't be too high on eichel with his disgruntle + injury + surgery. marner ended top 5 in league scoring this year. its in the same ball park and probably the best sabres can get at this point. (would you rather have laine instead? i dont think so). also, you'd have to get over the trading to division rivals aspect. could swap 2nd round for 2022 Leafs' 1st but that would be an overpayment by the leafs. 2nd is fair value on paper. buffalo will face challenge of finding a replacement 1C but thats kevyn adam's problem to solve. with eichel, getting the highest value return vs positional need is more important.

ristolainen leaving buffalo is inevtiable. defensive liability cap dump to leafs. leafs pair him with either muzzin on d2 or reclaim him with sandin as a swedish duo (rolling 3 pairings) and hope his game improves. (another tyson barrie-esque style gamble). buffalo gets a guaranteed bottom pairing d in dermott (controlled) + a potential top 4 project with liljegren. addresses buffalo's defensive depth issue.

if you are seattle, how could you not taken kerfoot at this point.

cant see foligno getting a much better deal nor being happier other than toronto. team friendly deal on par with his production value. he slots in a reduced role but bedrocking the 3rd line where he can get better matchups and also provide stability to younger 3rd line wingers (swapping simmonds for robertson when hes ready). also mikheyev is DAMN fast. that would make up for foligno's lack of speed.

tavares with a scary injury. possibly wont return as the same player. shelter him on wing for longevity (much like lindros transitioned over to wing after scott stevens open ice ptsd)

sucks to lose marner as reason why matthews wins rocket is due to marner's playmaking. however, habs easily could counter the marner pass matthews finish combo. hyman was the forced threat option which didn't work well (as the game 7 results showed). nylander is a real secondary shooting threat. matthews will need to make his own plays rather than getting spoon fed from now on.

eichel has a similar skill role as matthews on the 2nd line. tavares can shift to an all-round support role to free up the ice and provide secondary scoring threat options. galchenyuk staying with the leafs to develop is the only good option in his career right now. he'll have to step up and play the support role (which i think he can with some confidence). swap him with foligno, mikheyev, or even robertson until there is chemistry.

theres talks that campbell play a starting role as a 1B. i dont know where leafs find the cap for another goalie but maybe some dubas magic happens with some retention 3-way or don't re-sign riley nash. this is a gamble but could pay off.

team is missing some injury depth but that will need to get solved through 2way, league min ufa, etc.

leafs fans back me up!
everyone else, feel free to toss some salt in the thread. i like my wounds seasoned.
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Jun. 1, 2021 at 8:43 a.m.
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change liljegren and dermott to robertson and i think buffalo would consider that.
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Sabres pass, its not close
Jun. 1, 2021 at 8:44 a.m.
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change liljegren and dermott to robertson and i think buffalo would consider that.


0% chance they trade Eichel to Toronto unless its the stupidest overpay in the history of the league, Marner isnt that interesting
Jun. 1, 2021 at 8:45 a.m.
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0% chance they trade Eichel to Toronto unless its the stupidest overpay in the history of the league, Marner isnt that interesting


it's only a matter of time before he asks for a trade.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 8:54 a.m.
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Issue there is that Toronto isn't clearing much cap, that's what you need to actually have a good bottom six not filled with perennial playoff losers. Edmonton/Toronto = Same battle, cap is stuck on a few players so you filled the bottom six with whoever is ready to take under a million and a half, the thing is that the GM isn't as good as others when he circles around the bargain bin.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:01 a.m.
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0% chance they trade Eichel to Toronto unless its the stupidest overpay in the history of the league, Marner isnt that interesting


Incase you were wondering what your team would look like after loosing Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, and then adding Marner refer to Toronto from 2009 to 2015
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Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:11 a.m.
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0% chance they trade Eichel to Toronto unless its the stupidest overpay in the history of the league, Marner isnt that interesting


eichel is going to end up somewhere. same with ristolainen.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:12 a.m.
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Issue there is that Toronto isn't clearing much cap, that's what you need to actually have a good bottom six not filled with perennial playoff losers. Edmonton/Toronto = Same battle, cap is stuck on a few players so you filled the bottom six with whoever is ready to take under a million and a half, the thing is that the GM isn't as good as others when he circles around the bargain bin.


i dont disagree with you. but its just the way the team is built philosophically. i dont think they going to change that mentality. its about finding the right fit and puzzle pieces with a little luck most likely.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:18 a.m.
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
eichel is going to end up somewhere. same with ristolainen.


Dont get me wrong, Eichel is gone
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:19 a.m.
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it's only a matter of time before he asks for a trade.


Ive been on the Eichels gone boat since March, Toronto specifically has to over pay
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:20 a.m.
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Sabres pass, its not close


curious what you expect sabres will get?

eichel probably wont fetch laffy nor kappo from NYR.
"Vitali Kravtsov, a roster player, a young prospect defenseman (Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider excluded), and a first round pick" is a what they are quoting

"If the roster player in the deal was Ryan Strome for example, the package I mentioned would have three first rounders in it. Reasonable indeed and probably hard to beat."
is this a better deal? i dont think so.

i also dont think there is a team giving up 4x 1st rounders

buffalo have very little leverage and any more on the trade, leafs would be in better shape to pass.
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it's only a matter of time before he asks for a trade.


Ok?? We aren't trading him to the only franchise that will take longer to get out of the first round than buffalo
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
curious what you expect sabres will get?

eichel probably wont fetch laffy nor kappo from NYR.
"Vitali Kravtsov, a roster player, a young prospect defenseman (Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider excluded), and a first round pick" is a what they are quoting

"If the roster player in the deal was Ryan Strome for example, the package I mentioned would have three first rounders in it. Reasonable indeed and probably hard to beat."
is this a better deal? i dont think so.

i also dont think there is a team giving up 4x 1st rounders

buffalo have very little leverage and any more on the trade, leafs would be in better shape to pass.


Well to start, we wouldn't want a historic playoff choker that cost upwards of 11M
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:23 a.m.
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Ive been on the Eichels gone boat since March, Toronto specifically has to over pay


if the overpayment is due to "same division rivals" then i think both teams pass because it goes both ways.

if it is based on principal value, i dont think buffalo is in a position to ask for an overpayment.

either scenario, looks like both teams pass.

toronto keeps marner

buffalo shops elsewhere and get a bunch of 1st round draft picks.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:25 a.m.
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Well to start, we wouldn't want a historic playoff choker that cost upwards of 11M


fair point. i cant argue with that comment.
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Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:27 a.m.
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change liljegren and dermott to robertson and i think buffalo would consider that.


i dont think so considering risto is a rental and leafs would be trading from a positional need standpoint.
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No


you convinced me.
Jun. 1, 2021 at 9:29 a.m.
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Ive been on the Eichels gone boat since March, Toronto specifically has to over pay


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fair point. i cant argue with that comment.


but... can't choke in the playoffs if you don't even make the playoffs.
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buffalo likely 1stOVR this year that will be NHL ready.

they probably looking for a roster player in the eichel trade rather than future picks to develop 3-5 years later.
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i dont think so considering risto is a rental and leafs would be trading from a positional need standpoint.


adding robertson doesn't have anything to do with risto. to me risto is a cap dump. adding robertson is there to compensate for the difference in skill and value between eichel and marner.
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adding robertson doesn't have anything to do with risto. to me risto is a cap dump. adding robertson is there to compensate for the difference in skill and value between eichel and marner.


thats what the prospects + picks were for
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
thats what the prospects + picks were for


buffalo not in bad shape for defensive prospects and robertson is better piece than dermott and liljegren
Jun. 1, 2021 at 11:00 a.m.
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Quoting: basicallyyakupov
curious what you expect sabres will get?

eichel probably wont fetch laffy nor kappo from NYR.
"Vitali Kravtsov, a roster player, a young prospect defenseman (Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider excluded), and a first round pick" is a what they are quoting

"If the roster player in the deal was Ryan Strome for example, the package I mentioned would have three first rounders in it. Reasonable indeed and probably hard to beat."
is this a better deal? i dont think so.

i also dont think there is a team giving up 4x 1st rounders

buffalo have very little leverage and any more on the trade, leafs would be in better shape to pass.


I have 0 interest in anything NYR have to offer and dont think they are anywhere near as close as this website wants them to be, Sabres dont need D prospects and the rangers wont give up any of their forwards. LA makes the most sense and they can make a deal without including Byfield easy
Jun. 1, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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I have 0 interest in anything NYR have to offer and dont think they are anywhere near as close as this website wants them to be, Sabres dont need D prospects and the rangers wont give up any of their forwards. LA makes the most sense and they can make a deal without including Byfield easy


i agree. if byfield is not involved then a deal with LA is 100% doable.
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