Time to stop banging your heads on the proverbial brick wall

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Created by: justaBoss

Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 2, 2021

Published: Jun. 2, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Do you know what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again hoping to get a different result. That is the brick wall of spending 3/4 of your budget on 7 players, and trying to build the rest of your depth via filling the open slots with the remaining quarter. It's time to stop doing that. I think it has finally been proven that it won't lead to anything other than a miserable failure.

I'll say, move few key assets from the usual roster and focus on building that depth. Get a new GM and/or a coach that can instill the high demans work ethic in the process. I seriously think Tortorella could work in this role. Keep Keefe as an assistant to develop their actual play while having Torts running the mental side of the show, because the current mindset of the Leafs players simply doesn't seem to be professional enough when it comes to producing when it matters.

You guys have nothing to lose at this point. Building a pseudo-contender is not going to help you win anything but the president's trophy, which is not the trophy you guys aren't after.

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Hirvonen, Roni	3	$863,333
Niemelä, Topi	3	$795,000
Kokkonen, Mikko	3	$795,000
Abruzzese, Nick	3	$795,000
Greenway, James	2	$795,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Reinhart, Sam	6	$6,666,667
Vehvilainen, Veini	1	$874,125
Duszak, Joseph	1	$750,000
Woll, Joseph	1	$750,000
Petan, Nicolas	1	$750,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Martinez, Alec	3	$5,000,000
Hyman, Zach	7	$4,285,714
Spezza, Jason	1	$750,000

Trades

TOR

Expansion draft pick

SEA

Kerfoot, Alexander

Additional Details:

Let's start with the obvious one. Kerfoot's good, but also an ideal target for Seattle.

TOR

Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
Ristolainen, Rasmus ($2,700,000 retained)
2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
2022 3rd round pick (BUF)

BUF

Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
Marner, Mitchell

Additional Details:

2021 NHL Entry Draft deal.

Marner's value has plummeted after yet another piss poor playoff performance. Nothing justifies him being the highest paid player of his position in the league right now. He needs a restart somewhere else. Buffalo could be an option, since in there he doesn't actually have to worry about the playoffs that much lol.

In all seriousness, both Leafs and Sabres need to retool big time, and this sort of blockbuster with players rumored on the move could be the big splash both teams need. Sabres chance the outlook of their roster big time, and TOR adds two very playoff hungry players.

TOR

Domi, Max ($2,650,000 retained)
Jenner, Boone
2022 3rd round pick (TBL)

CBJ

Hållander, Filip
Liljegren, Timothy
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

2021-22 Offseason deal.

I do imagine that Columbus is tanking for Wright or Bedard. They have some good depth assets in there for Leafs to use. CBJ adds some prospects stuck in their system, Leafs add on some actual depth, other than random KHL players or randon veterans playing with the league minimum contract somewhere just because of their name.

TOR

Kempe, Adrian
MacDermid, Kurtis
2022 2nd round pick (LAK)
2023 3rd round pick (LAK)

LAK

Additional Details:

2021-22 Offseason deal.

I know LA fans are going to rip me a new one since I touched their golden boy, but it's been rumored that LA is after a puck moving left defenseman, and Rielly fits that bill perfectly. Gaining Rielly for a 35-ish point 25-year old forward and some picks seem pretty good haul for me. LA add a prospect as well, and TOR gets a depth D-man. Imo it's a win-win. I'd love to add a re-signing condition here but since they're banned, I can't do sh*t about that.

TOR

Khudobin, Anton
Sekera, Andrej
2022 4th round pick (DAL)

DAL

Holl, Justin
2023 3rd round pick (LAK)

Additional Details:

2021-22 Offseason deal.

If Bishop is returning, DAL needs to move Dobby. And it'll most likely will happen pretty cheap. The deal also involves a D swap for cap reasons for TOR and benefits in terms of handedness for Dallas.

TOR

MTL

Hutchinson, Michael

Additional Details:

Waivers pick. If MTL loses Allen in the ExD, they need a 3G behind Price and Primeau. Hutch comes cheaper than signing a league minimum guy.

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$77,127,497	$0	$0	$4,372,503

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $4,285,714$4,285,714 RW, LW UFA - 7	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 3	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 3
Domi, Max -$1,325,000-$1,325,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 4	Reinhart, Sam $6,666,667$6,666,667 RW UFA - 3
Kempe, Adrian $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Jenner, Boone $3,750,000$3,750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Brooks, Adam $725,000$725,000 C UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 3	Martinez, Alec $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 1	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Khudobin, Anton $3,333,333$3,333,333 G M-NTC UFA - 2
	Ristolainen, Rasmus $2,700,000$2,700,000 RD UFA - 1
Sekera, Andrej $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
MacDermid, Kurtis $875,000$875,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.

Ldog92

Hutch For Vezina

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Your stupid

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Ldog92

Your stupid

You're

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.

Jdfitz77

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Sabres aren’t gonna “retool”
They’ll “rebuild”
So Marner doesn’t really fit all that well
Especially with that contract

Great player though
And u should be able to get a lot for him

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:04 p.m.

Ldog92

Hutch For Vezina

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you trade marner a top five winger in the league fro 2 overated players great good thing this isnt what kyle dubas is thinking

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:05 p.m.

tryger

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Why would the Kings make a deal for Reilly in the 2021-22 off season? He'll be a free agent then and they get to keep all their assets

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:05 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

Sabres aren’t gonna “retool”
They’ll “rebuild”
So Marner doesn’t really fit all that well
Especially with that contract

Great player though
And u should be able to get a lot for him

They've rebuilded for over a decade now. That word has lost its meaning for that organisation. Everything they do at this point is a retool. Marner has some term left that could prove very useful to you should they finally start to play even a bit better.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:08 p.m.

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Ldog92

you trade marner a top five winger in the league fro 2 overated players great good thing this isnt what kyle dubas is thinking

Any player being able to score in the top10 rate in the dumpster fire that is Buffalo is far from overrated. Reinhart's very solid.

And if anything, Marner himself is overrated as hell. He's a regular season force playing with the greatest goal scorer in the league who completely disappears in the playoffs cashing in on the highest paid contract of his position.

On his day, he's top 5 of his position. Sadly, his days seem to stop every time the spring comes.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:09 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Brace for the Storm

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Quoting: Ldog92

you trade marner a top five winger in the league fro 2 overated players great good thing this isnt what kyle dubas is thinking

Risto is everything but overrated and calling players «overrated» when talking about a player that is notorious for not giving a sh*t in the playoffs is pretty ironic

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:10 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: justaBoss

This. All of this.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:10 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: tryger

Why would the Kings make a deal for Reilly in the 2021-22 off season? He'll be a free agent then and they get to keep all their assets

Two reasons. Affirm him as the part of the roster earlier and remove the risk of not getting him, and potentially have the option of signing him to an 8-year deal. Seems like a Blake thing to do.

I do admit that in the position Kings are in it'll maybe be a better idea to sign the guy as free agent though, but it'll be much more difficult than via just acquiring him beforehand.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.

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Shibbal18

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The Sabres would do this. Saves Toronto money, and I think we watch Marner regress in Buffalo, but its worth the gamble

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:14 p.m.

#12

justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Shibbal18

The Sabres would do this. Saves Toronto money, and I think we watch Marner regress in Buffalo, but its worth the gamble

Yep. Both teams have nothing to lose at this point.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:14 p.m.

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Jdfitz77

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Quoting: justaBoss

We’re trade my Jack & Sam and starting over
We aren’t close enough to a decent team for it to be considered a “retool”
We suck
And there’s zero point in bringing in Marner when we’re basically gonna still suck for at least the next 3 years

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:14 p.m.

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sammy_daws1997

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

Sabres aren’t gonna “retool”
They’ll “rebuild”
So Marner doesn’t really fit all that well
Especially with that contract

Great player though
And u should be able to get a lot for him

You are right in the sense that the Sabres wont be going after Marner, but you are nuts if you think they wouldnt jump at the opportunity to get him for this haul..

Marner for Eichel or Dahlin is what he would bring back value wise.. I dont care about his "playoff performance" because no one on Buffalo has even made the playoffs to compare Marner to..

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:15 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

I'd be surprised if they actually traded Eichel honestly. It seems logical, but I feel like Adams will overprice the guy.

Combine Eichel and Marner and try to reach those playoffs. At their day you have two extremely great players.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.

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Shibbal18

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

Sabres aren’t gonna “retool”
They’ll “rebuild”
So Marner doesn’t really fit all that well
Especially with that contract

Great player though
And u should be able to get a lot for him

Quoting: justaBoss

I dont see Buffalo committing to a rebuild, whether they should or not is a different story, but their is too much pressure to win especially if they move Eichel and Reinhart

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.

#17

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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I don't know why folks seems so enthralled giving the Leafs 3rd liners from non playoff teams. Soon to be UFAs Domi, Jenner,and Sekera.
If Reinhart who is just one year away from UFA, signed an extension....the Leafs might be very interested. The 4m plus in cap space in 22/23 would be handy, plus the picks.

And no thanks on Tortarella. He's a Babcock. Not really a good NHL coach, as he would rather lose "his way" then win and go outside his "box'

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.

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Jdfitz77

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Quoting: justaBoss

If it’s not working for you guys with more than 2 great players,
why would it work for us?
It’s not gonna happen imo
And Jack most likely is getting traded

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.

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littlejerryseinfeld

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Quoting: Ldog92

you trade marner a top five winger in the league fro 2 overated players great good thing this isnt what kyle dubas is thinking

Sam reinhart is one of the most criminally UNDERRATED players in the league

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: palhal

Reinhart's pending RFA this year. In this case Leafs would have full control over him and his future contract. Knowing Dubas' MO, he's gonna get paid big.

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.

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Jdfitz77

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Quoting: Shibbal18

I dont see Buffalo committing to a rebuild, whether they should or not is a different story, but their is too much pressure to win especially if they move Eichel and Reinhart

If Jack & Sam are moved for young pieces like expected,
then it will be a “rebuild” regardless
We just gotta get it right this time instead of having gmtm **** it all up beyond repair

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.

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justaBoss

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What in tarnation

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

If it’s not working for you guys with more than 2 great players,
why would it work for us?
It’s not gonna happen imo
And Jack most likely is getting traded

It could do wonders for Marner to see a team from a completely different status I think. Coming from a pseudo-contender to a rebuilder should teach him a thing or two. I can't really explain why Leafs can't catch a break with their roster, but something need to change.

As for Eichel, I think he should get moved, but I'm predicting that they'll try again the Hall tactic and bring in a "solid player for him to play with"

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.

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Shibbal18

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Quoting: Jdfitz77

If Jack & Sam are moved for young pieces like expected,
then it will be a “rebuild” regardless
We just gotta get it right this time instead of having gmtm **** it all up beyond repair

GMTM was making a ton of progress, but wouldnt let Jack fire Bylsma, Botterill nuked the team

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Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.

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Jdfitz77

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Quoting: justaBoss

It might do wonders for Marner....
but it’s not even close enough to make us a good team
Trade makes no sense
And i really hope you’re wrong

Jun. 2, 2021 at 4:24 p.m.

#25

Jdfitz77

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Quoting: Shibbal18

GMTM was making a ton of progress, but wouldnt let Jack fire Bylsma, Botterill nuked the team

Gmtm did a good-ish job with the forwards,
but literally EVERY move he made with the defense was an utter failure
He set us back YEARS, as we have obviously seen

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