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Fitting Danault in

Created by: brady_t12
Initial Creation Date: Jun 3, 2021
Published: Jun 3 at 1:32
Team: 2021-22 Washington Capitals
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Samsonov, Ilya2$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ovechkin, Alex4$10,000,000
Sgarbossa, Michael2$800,000
Danault, Phillip5$7,000,000
Trades
WSH
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. 2021 4th round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Pre-expansion so the wild don’t lose a defenseman.
WSH
    Protected list:

    Backstrom Mantha Oshie Wilson Sheary Eller Sprong

    Carlson Orlov Dumba

    Samsonov
    SEA
    1. Schultz, Justin
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
    WSH
    1. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
    SJS
    1. Dillon, Brenden
    Additional Details:
    Anywhere. Some fans on this site have shown a desire to add dillon to their team, so I doubt we’ll have to pay to get rid of him. He’s not awful, but I don’t like him here much.
    WSH
    1. 2021 7th round pick (SEA)
    SEA
    1. Hagelin, Carl
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (MIN)
    Additional Details:
    Anywhere
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    WSH
    TOR
    WSH
    WSH
    SEA
    2022
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    2023
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    WSH
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$81,465,427$472,927$165,000$34,573
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    WSH
    Ovechkin, Alex
    $10,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Bäckström, Nicklas
    $9,200,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Wilson, Tom
    $5,166,666
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Mantha, Anthony
    $5,700,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Danault, Phillip
    $7,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    WSH
    Oshie, T.J.
    $5,750,000
    RW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    WSH
    Sheary, Conor
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Eller, Lars
    $3,500,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Sprong, Daniel
    $725,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Hathaway, Garnet
    $1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Dowd, Nic
    $750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Leason, Brett
    $842,500
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    WSH
    Fehérváry, Martin
    $791,667
    LD
    RFA - 2
    WSH
    Carlson, John
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    WSH
    Samsonov, Ilya
    $2,000,000
    G
    RFA
    WSH
    Orlov, Dmitry
    $5,100,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Dumba, Matt
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Vanecek, Vitek
    $716,667
    G
    RFA - 1
    WSH
    Kempný, Michal
    $2,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    WSH
    Jensen, Nick
    $2,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    WSH
    van Riemsdyk, Trevor
    $950,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    WSH
    Sgarbossa, Michael
    $800,000
    C
    UFA - 2

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    Jun 3 at 1:33
    #1
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    Alternatively if Seattle selects Vanecek:

    Trade Schultz for a third round pick

    Sign a veteran goalie in free agency to a 1x1 deal to backup Samsonov
    Jun 3 at 1:38
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    Are you mental? You just gave danault 5 years at 7 million.
    Jun 3 at 1:44
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    Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
    Are you mental? You just gave danault 5 years at 7 million.


    People do that with RNH Hyman etc. quite often

    They don't get called 'mental'

    (I mean I criticize it but not so harshly)

    If one acknowledges analytics, context, etc. then it becomes easy to justify Danault getting so much please check out his SKATR chart it's exquisite

    Dan-o is also such a smart & tactful player ✔
    Jun 3 at 1:44
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    Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
    Are you mental? You just gave danault 5 years at 7 million.


    Go ahead and explain your outrage a little more please. Danault is regarded as the best two way center in the league by the leagues top superstars. The caps need a guy like that in their top 6. Given our team’s systems, I would also expect him to produce offensively.

    If you want to be polite and rational and explain what you think he should get, go ahead. I’d appreciate not being called “mental” because you disagree with a number on the screen.
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    Jun 3 at 1:45
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    Quoting: Radu47
    People do that with RNH Hyman etc. quite often

    They don't get called 'mental'

    (I mean I criticize it but not so harshly)

    If one acknowledges analytics, context, etc. then it becomes easy to justify Danault getting so much please check out his SKATR chart it's exquisite

    Dan-o is also such a smart & tactful player ✔


    This is why you’re my favorite commenter on this site lmao.
    Jun 3 at 1:50
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Go ahead and explain your outrage a little more please. Danault is regarded as the best two way center in the league by the leagues top superstars. The caps need a guy like that in their top 6. Given our team’s systems, I would also expect him to produce offensively.

    If you want to be polite and rational and explain what you think he should get, go ahead. I’d appreciate not being called “mental” because you disagree with a number on the screen.

    Sorry, very tired and saw danault getting that contract i couldn’t tell if it was a joke.
    Yes he’s very good, maybe even elite defensively but he doesn’t drive much offensively. On that line maybe he could. I’d just hate giving 7 million dollars in a flat cap for the next couple of year to a shutdown centre. I agree that the caps could use a very good shut down centre, but for 7 million my goodness. I love watching him work every night, but I wouldn’t quite be as happy at 7 million. If you want to put that much value in 1 defensive centre go ahead
    Jun 3 at 1:51
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    Quoting: Radu47
    People do that with RNH Hyman etc. quite often

    They don't get called 'mental'

    (I mean I criticize it but not so harshly)

    If one acknowledges analytics, context, etc. then it becomes easy to justify Danault getting so much please check out his SKATR chart it's exquisite

    Dan-o is also such a smart & tactful player ✔

    Every time I see people giving rnh first line centre money I get so freaking confused. You can see my response to the other guy about danault
    Jun 3 at 1:51
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    Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
    Are you mental? You just gave danault 5 years at 7 million.


    If RNH and Danault switched situations currently

    Danault outscores him easily this past season

    And RNH sure doesn't get his usual 30 selke votes

    Same applies to Zach Hyman

    The really crazy part is even though Danault struggles at goal scoring he probably finishes more of the chances Marner put on a platter for Hyman recently
    Jun 3 at 1:55
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Go ahead and explain your outrage a little more please. Danault is regarded as the best two way center in the league by the leagues top superstars. The caps need a guy like that in their top 6. Given our team’s systems, I would also expect him to produce offensively.

    If you want to be polite and rational and explain what you think he should get, go ahead. I’d appreciate not being called “mental” because you disagree with a number on the screen.


    Terrific post ✔

    Absolutely and my jaw dropped a little when I saw him beside Mantha I mean omg they'd be unreal together would be neat to see Sprong on their RW too

    Anyhow good stuff
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    Jun 3 at 1:56
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    Quoting: Howisjulienstillhere
    Sorry, very tired and saw danault getting that contract i couldn’t tell if it was a joke.
    Yes he’s very good, maybe even elite defensively but he doesn’t drive much offensively. On that line maybe he could. I’d just hate giving 7 million dollars in a flat cap for the next couple of year to a shutdown centre. I agree that the caps could use a very good shut down centre, but for 7 million my goodness. I love watching him work every night, but I wouldn’t quite be as happy at 7 million. If you want to put that much value in 1 defensive centre go ahead


    No worries, I get way too into the arguments on here for no good reason lmao. It wasn’t a joke, but I see what you’re saying.

    Danault is 28 and would be an amazing second line center for the remainder of the Ovi-Backstrom era in Washington. I was putting a lot of stock into his defensive capabilities when trying to come up with a number for his contract. He’s also a reliable half a point per game player over the course of the last few seasons. I think he could be a 50 point guy in DC, especially between Mantha, Ovie, Wilson, Oshie, Sprong, etc.

    Maybe 5.5x5 is more reasonable? Or 4 years only so his contract expires with Ovie and Backstrom and we start the rebuild then?
    Jun 3 at 1:59
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    No worries, I get way too into the arguments on here for no good reason lmao. It wasn’t a joke, but I see what you’re saying.

    Danault is 28 and would be an amazing second line center for the remainder of the Ovi-Backstrom era in Washington. I was putting a lot of stock into his defensive capabilities when trying to come up with a number for his contract. He’s also a reliable half a point per game player over the course of the last few seasons. I think he could be a 50 point guy in DC, especially between Mantha, Ovie, Wilson, Oshie, Sprong, etc.

    Maybe 5.5x5 for 4 or 5 years is more reasonable? Or 4 years only so his contract expires with Ovie and Backstrom and we start the rebuild then?

    5 or 5.5 for 4 or 5 years is what I think he’ll get. Again love danault, but for little offence 7 million in a flat cap for who knows how long is a little much. Hopefully we keep him though
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    Jun 3 at 8:52
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    I really can't see the Wild wanting Kuznetsov, no matter how much they could use a center. He just seems to be problem after problem lately, which doesn't seem like a good player to have around a young player like Kaprizov.
    Jun 3 at 9:03
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    Danault is an amazing player, but I don't see him joining the Caps, at least not on a long term deal. With Lapierre and McMichael in the pipeline, any center they get will probably need to be on a 1 or 2 year deal so they have space for Lapierre and McMichael. Danault probably wants term and a dump truck of money, and can get that with other teams, so I would think the caps would have to massively overpay for him. Otherwise, I like the moves made, though I think the caps could get rid of Hagelin for a 3rd round pick. That might just be wishful thinking though.
    Jun 3 at 2:48
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    Quoting: brady_t12
    Go ahead and explain your outrage a little more please. Danault is regarded as the best two way center in the league by the leagues top superstars. The caps need a guy like that in their top 6. Given our team’s systems, I would also expect him to produce offensively.

    If you want to be polite and rational and explain what you think he should get, go ahead. I’d appreciate not being called “mental” because you disagree with a number on the screen.


    no he's right, this is dumb. Why would you trade kuzy only to sign a 3rd line center with about half the production at nearly the same cost?
     
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