I don't know; Mayfield has been a beast in these playoffs so it's hard to imagine the Islanders parting with him.

Nice value on the trades, and seems to satisfy both team. But I think for cap reasons, the Leafs are going to have to go with a less expensive goalie (and hope).

This isn't EA Sports.

Nylander is far and away the best player in the deal and you've given nothing to Toronto that they need or helps them, and you've asked for another player in addition to Nylander.

Mayfield has been good in playoffs, but he was at best average in the regular season. His value wouldn't be much more than Dermott and a late round pick. Varlamov has been highly inconsistent in playoffs and has basically lost his job to Sorokin. The facts that Varlamov is extremely aided by the defensive system played in New York with the goaltending coaches they have, and that the Islanders need to make room for Sorokin to be a full time starter next season, drastically lower his value. Nylander was the Leafs best player in the playoffs with how great of a contract he's on, his value is through the roof right now.

On top of that, Toronto doesn't need a new bottom pair right defenceman, or an overpaid backup. They're actually loaded with prospects in the system to play that defensive spot if needed (not to mention Bogosian is likely to come back), and they have they're starter in Campbell who they likely look to a cheaper option to tandem with.

So your deal here has New York giving up nothing that affects their roster, but gaining an elite scoring talent.

Leafs decline.

Lol. Of course you'd be the one to think it's fair on value 😂

Nylander is not a superstar winger he has only put up 30 + goals once in the past four years. Marjotity of his points come on assists. He is a 60 point guy playing with Mathews or Tavares.( so that inflates his totals). Nylander has played one good playoff series does not mean much a lot of guys have.Dermott is a six man that most fans want to expose to expansion. Varlamov is a #1 goaltender that has put up veznai like numbers this year,(does he get help by his defense yes) . He is a proven goalie in the playoffs that by the way is keeping the isles in against the Bruins not Sorokin. Mayfield plays Top 4 mins being defensively minded and great on the PK.
Cap wise this deal makes sense for both teams.
Do tell me how else does the leafs improve their team without trading a player like Nylander. No GM is going to take three plus 10,000,000 dollar contracts.

Being elite isn't all about points. Nylander is actually one of the best players in the league at controlling zone entries and zone exists by a forward. He frequently creates offence and that's isolated to his skill, not being helped by Matthews or Tavares. His goals/assists are also usually lower because he plays on the 2nd PP unit which doesn't usually include Matthews or Tavares and generally included Spezza, Kerfoot, Hyman, and Muzzin. Not exactly high end offensive guys to help out up points. If that's the only thing that catches your eye then you need to actually watch Nylander play.

Varlamov is not a top flight goaltender. He's only been good since coming to New York and the defensive system he's in along with their goalie coaches there. Remove that from him and he might be an average goalie, as he was in Colorado with a .909sv% and although he had one good year before that, he was brutal even before that. In reality, he'a a fringe starter. Not a Vezina calibre goalie.

& again, Toronto already has depth at right defence. Mayfield isn't beating out Brodie or Holl in the top 4. Likely doesn't beat out Bogosian for the 3rd spot. And the depth after that includes much cheaper and younger guys like Liljegren, Hollowell, Niemela, etc. They're set at right defence.

It's also funny how you think Toronto needs to improve their defence and goaltending to be better when they were the 7th best team defensively this season. That wasn't their issue, their issue was the stars just didn't score when they needed it.

Also funny that you assume that Toronto has to or will move one of the big contracts to help the team. How does moving any of them make them better? It doesn't. Matthews and Marner are top 5 scorers that play above average defence. Tavares is John Tavares and a top 20 centre in the league (as a 2C too), and Nylander has proved continuously that he's a valuable piece to produce in all situations. Moving any of those guys takes years to find another player with the same skill level and makes no sense. But hey, after Tampa got swept did they make any big changes? & how'd that work out for them?

If they wanna improve, other guys can be moved to help gain cap space if needed. Kerfoot is likely gone. Rielly can be moved. Along with the $12.5M in cap space they have this season, that's plenty of room to make adjustments to help win. What doesn't help win is making irrational moves like the one you've proposed - how does moving their best playoff performer help them win in playoffs? Makes no sense at all. If they wanted to move Nylander he would've been moved long before now.

They have not met expectations with the big four yet and they probably won't in the future, have fun watching the team do nothing and continued be disgraced in the future, cheers.

PS: If the Leafs don't make it out of the first round next year Dubas is gone and lets see how the core looks like in two years, can't wait to have this same discussion next year see ya

Lol. Glad you think you know everything. I know who to ask in the future now.

Hey but McDavid and Draisaitl haven't done anything either. In fact McDavid had the same amount of points as Marner. & Edmonton actually needs defence and a goalie. So you're saying by your logic, that Edmonton should trade Connor McDavid and Caleb Jones to the New York Islanders for Semyon Varlamov and Scott Mayfield... 100% fair deal! Great logic! Please go apply for the GM of Edmonton and use that as your plan to turn the team around for next season. I can't wait to see the articles written about it!

Bad value for the Leafs... and if you watched the Leafs in the playoffs, defence and goaltending were the 2 areas where they were fine. Scoring was the issue. This doesn't help them solve that problem at all

But buddy, McDavid and Nylander are on two different not even a realistic comparable you, try again lol

Ah so you have double standards now. One performed during playoffs and one didn't. & you think it's smarter to trade the one that performed better and makes less money. When you just said that Toronto needed to make improvements to win, but couldn't move one of their top contracts. & your solution is to trade the guy on the best contract on the team that was their best playoff performer to help them win in playoffs? ... the more you talk the more you make it sound like you have no idea what you're talking about here.

So again, Leafs decline. There's nothing interesting for them here. Shop elsewhere.

If you can actually read and stop always going on a tangent to try to force your view, than you will see that my point is looking at a cap prospective you will have three guys making 10+ million,( all forwards) and you have one guy making less than 7 . Nylander is a top six guy you can produce on the powerplay. Nylander is not a generational player like Mathews or McDavid. How do you get the idea that trading Nylander and trading McDavid to improve team needs are comparable?
You said trade Rielly with one year left compared to Nylander that has multiple years , you can try to trade Rielly but you are not going to get a big enough return when teams can just wait until Rielly goes to UFA.
Leafs can expose Kerfoot to Seattle and lose him for nothing. ( there goes the Kardi trade)
Anderson won't return, so you put a backup goalie in Campbell which has had a good season the reasonability of playing a full season which he has never done.
Hyman is probably going to leave for noting because someone is going to sign him long term to a 5.5-6.0 million dollar contract.
he takes face offs, plays a physical game and is on your special teams.
Inconculsion the Leafs are going to rely on ELC for the next few years.
Not a good look for a team not has not succeed on the lowest of expectations.
Maybe you right the Leafs don't have to make changes to the personal but than the Leafs core are not mentally strong enough for the playoffs and that's means that this core will always be losers.

blah blah blah.. I don't care to read and keep going on with this debate from yesterday (no offence).

Bottom line: your trade proposal doesn't work for Toronto. As I said in my original comment - Nylander is far and away the best player in your proposal and you haven't offered anything of need or upgrade to Toronto. You can sit there and try to argue it all you want, but Toronto isn't trading Nylander for a $5M backup goalie and a (maybe) bottom pair defenceman. If they wanted to move Nylander, they could get far, far better offers than this.

Try shopping your players elsewhere because I can almost guarantee Toronto would never accept this as is.

How about this trade Nylander to the Rangers and in return get Kravtsov, Chytll, Georgiev.
Package Dermott and Mikheyev with a third to Long Island and Receive Mayfield and Dacolle
Kravtsov can play in your top six
Georgiev is 1b goalie that can support Cambell
Chytil can fit in your third center spot and play on the second power play
Mayfield can fit on the third line or play top 4 minutes if needed and is great on PK
Dacolle can fit in on a third line wing and be defensively minded
Just solved 5 concerns of the Leafs
Have a nice day

I don't know why you're still trying to trade Nylander? I think the excuse of the cap tied up in 4 players is BS. Nylander was just Toronto's best player in the playoffs. So to win in the playoffs you wanna trade their best playoff performer? Doesn't make much sense.

The Nylander to the Rangers isn't a bad deal for value. But I still wouldn't do it. Kravstovis still unproven, Chytil is inconsistent, and so is Georgiev. They're more potential pieces rather than players that fit what Toronto needs to win now. Best idea is to keep Nylander.

Packaging Dermott, Mikheyev, and a 3rd for Dal Colle and Mayfield only pushes Toronto further away from winning. As much as you say Mayfield can play top 4 minutes or on the bottom pair, he just doesn't get that in Toronto.
Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
(Mayfield is never seeing top 4 minutes over those guys)
Dermott/Sandin - Bogosian

Bogosian is likely to come back on a cheap deal and he fits what Toronto needs in the spot more than Mayfield. Not to mention he doesn't cost any assets to get. Mikheyev is one of Toronto's key penalty killers so unless they're getting a better one in return, he won't be moved (not about value that's more about team need). So Toronto is basically giving the Islanders 2 players that they'll use plus a pick, and getting 2 players they won't use. It just doesn't work for Toronto.

You talk about fixing needs this way but you really haven't and you creates a far weaker top 6 which becomes more of a problem since Toronto is looking to add to it with a top 6 LW, not take away from it. If they want a backup goalie, sign any of Bernier, Smith, or Broissoit for cheap and they don't cost assets to get. Then Nylander stays in the top 6.

In reality, the Leafs and Islanders don't match up well for a trade. Leafs need centre's more than anything. Specifically right handed ones that can play a 3C checking role and kill penalties. The Islanders don't have that available. So Toronto will look elsewhere.

Here's what I made the other day that got good reviews from other teams that would more illustrate what Toronto would be looking for:

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2441081


Have a nice day.