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Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2021
Published: Jun. 6, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$4,750,000
5$5,250,000
5$4,500,000
2$1,000,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$4,000,000
1$750,000
2$3,000,000
4$1,800,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Bonus, Greenes
1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
NYI
    Expansion
    2.
    NYI
    1. 2022 7th round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Hickey, Thomas
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
    3.
    NYI
    1. 2021 7th round pick (CHI)
    CHI
    1. Komarov, Leo
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (NYI)
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (COL)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
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    Logo of the DET
    2023
    Logo of the NYI
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$82,746,688$1,365,854$1,107,500-$1,246,688
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW
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    UFA - 5
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    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    C, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RW, LW, C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,800,000$1,800,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,250,000$5,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,450,000$1,450,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $750,000$750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Bonus, Greenes
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $750,000$750,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Taxi Squad
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $900,000$900,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    LW, RW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $725,000$725,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $900,000$900,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,000,000$1,000,000 ($0$0$0$0)
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $842,500$842,500 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LD
    RFA - 2

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    Jun. 6, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.
    #1
    Bedard23
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    Hawks decline were in a rebuild
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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    Kyle from Chicago
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Hawks decline were in a rebuild


    You must have read the trade backwards, this deal would be great for the rebuild.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 5:06 p.m.
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    hawks accept
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    Jun. 6, 2021 at 5:22 p.m.
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    IMO they shouldn't have to give up that much to move 1 year of 3 million Leo, and 1 year of 2.5 Hickey.

    Cost NYR a 2nd to move Staal at 5.7 for 1 year.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 5:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    You must have read the trade backwards, this deal would be great for the rebuild.


    Leo Komorov is 34 years old that’s not an ideal age for a rebuild
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
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    The only problem is that stupid Ladd contract. The way I think we get around it is to sign Sorokin for a 1 Mill to 500k less. Sign Beau for 750K to 500k less and either Palmari takes less or we have Golyshev on the 3rd line LW. There is also the possibility that Dal Colle or Bellows can get their **** together/figure out the Trotz/NHL game and they could provide the stability we are looking for as the 3rd line LW. We also might be able to find a reliable 2nd paring LD for cheaper than Alec Martinez at 3mill AVV. Not sure Cizikas takes that but maybe he does. Overall I like your contract offers and trades. Maybe we can get a little better picks from the Red Wings or Blackhawks.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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    Kyle from Chicago
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Leo Komorov is 34 years old that’s not an ideal age for a rebuild


    We get a 2nd and a 3rd for a 1 year cap dump. Who cares about how old he is?
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    Jun. 6, 2021 at 7:15 p.m.
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    Quoting: islanders15
    IMO they shouldn't have to give up that much to move 1 year of 3 million Leo, and 1 year of 2.5 Hickey.

    Cost NYR a 2nd to move Staal at 5.7 for 1 year.


    The salary for Staal was only 3.2 million as his bonus was already paid.
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    Jun. 6, 2021 at 7:16 p.m.
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    Detroit will accept the Hickey deal if you drop the 7th back. Hickey is an AHL player and isn't useful like Staal was.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 7:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    The salary for Staal was only 3.2 million as his bonus was already paid.


    The cap hit is still $5.7M https://www.capfriendly.com/players/marc-staal
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 8:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    The cap hit is still $5.7M https://www.capfriendly.com/players/marc-staal


    Yes, that is true.

    But cap hit is not the only thing that matters, how much money you have to pay also matters, teams have budgets they need to follow.

    How useful the player is to the team is another thing that matters and influense the price for taking them off you hands.

    You can't just look at the cap cost and ignore all other factors when you decide the value a player has to a team.

    Detroit needed a veteran LD, that was a big part in accepting only a 2nd for taking him on. If it had been a player in a position where Detroit didn't need help they would have wanted more picks to make the deal.
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    Jun. 6, 2021 at 8:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: Stan_Bowman
    We get a 2nd and a 3rd for a 1 year cap dump. Who cares about how old he is?


    Well he isn’t gonna be very useful on a rebuilding team
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 9:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: Billy12Bob
    The salary for Staal was only 3.2 million as his bonus was already paid.


    Actual dollars is only 2 million for Komarov, so yea the point still stands.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 9:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: islanders15
    IMO they shouldn't have to give up that much to move 1 year of 3 million Leo, and 1 year of 2.5 Hickey.

    Cost NYR a 2nd to move Staal at 5.7 for 1 year.


    Hickey’s salary is 2.5M vs Staal’s 3.2M and filled a roster spot for us which puts at minimum the same cash in this deal. I’d see the logic in cap figures if Detroit was remotely close to the ceiling which isn’t the case here so it doesn’t apply. We can also look at the Tampa-Ottawa deal (Paquette & Coburb) which is even more favorable in this logic.

    Quoting: mhroblak
    The cap hit is still $5.7M https://www.capfriendly.com/players/marc-staal

    And? Detroit wasn’t at the ceiling or near the ceiling. I quoted another trade to further solidify this point in the text above.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 9:56 p.m.
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    Kyle from Chicago
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Well he isn’t gonna be very useful on a rebuilding team


    The 2nd and 3rd are what I’m concerned about. You don’t think we could use the extra draft capital for what is essentially no actual cost to us? Rebuilding teams need picks my guy this is a great deal.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 10:28 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Hickey’s salary is 2.5M vs Staal’s 3.2M and filled a roster spot for us which puts at minimum the same cash in this deal. I’d see the logic in cap figures if Detroit was remotely close to the ceiling which isn’t the case here so it doesn’t apply. We can also look at the Tampa-Ottawa deal (Paquette & Coburb) which is even more favorable in this logic.


    And? Detroit wasn’t at the ceiling or near the ceiling. I quoted another trade to further solidify this point in the text above.


    Lol ok, if it's anything more than a 4th, they'd probably just buy him out for an 833k cap hit. Hickey is an NHL defenseman, only reason he's not a regular is because he got hurt and Devon Toews stepped in. and 2.5 isn't the same as 3.2 if youre gonna nickel and dime it.
    Jun. 6, 2021 at 10:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    And? Detroit wasn’t at the ceiling or near the ceiling. I quoted another trade to further solidify this point in the text above.


    I was talking to someone else. This is a good trade for Chicago.
    Jun. 7, 2021 at 2:04 a.m.
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    Edited Jun. 7, 2021 at 3:08 a.m.
    Quoting: islanders15
    Lol ok, if it's anything more than a 4th, they'd probably just buy him out for an 833k cap hit. Hickey is an NHL defenseman, only reason he's not a regular is because he got hurt and Devon Toews stepped in. and 2.5 isn't the same as 3.2 if youre gonna nickel and dime it.


    Hickey has played a total of 19 games in the NHL and the AHL combined over the last two years.

    In a trade the value a player has for both the teams have to be considered. Hickey is not an NHL player to Detroit.

    Detroit has DeKeyser, who has a bad back, and Cholowski, who is questionable defensively, under contract for next year. What Detroit needs is one or two reliable veterans to tie them over until their prospects mature. Hickey is even more of a risk than DeKeyser is health-wise. That makes Hickey unsuitable for Detroit, that is why Detroit considers him a liability and not an asset.

    With the Staal trade Detroit got a player they could actually use, with Hickey they get a player they have to send to Grand Rapids. That determines how much value Detroit places on him and how much they want for taking on his contract.

    You may think he has value but Detroit doesn't think he has any value to them at all as a player, that makes him cost you more to dump than Staal did who had value to Detroit.

    The Staal deal netted Detroit a useful player and a 2nd round pick.

    What you're proposing is a useless player and a 4th round pick.

    If you had to make one of those two deals for your team which one of them would you choose? The 2nd + useful or the 4th + useless?
    Jun. 7, 2021 at 9:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: islanders15
    Lol ok, if it's anything more than a 4th, they'd probably just buy him out for an 833k cap hit. Hickey is an NHL defenseman, only reason he's not a regular is because he got hurt and Devon Toews stepped in. and 2.5 isn't the same as 3.2 if youre gonna nickel and dime it.

    Let me show the math a little more clear since I’m “nickel and dime” Staal’s 3.2M - 750k (league minimum) = 2.45M versus 2.5M. Like I said nearly identical in cost and AAV is moot because Detroit wasn’t even remotely close to the ceiling. By all means bury the contract, I’m merely stating the financial of the trade are remarkably close which netted a second round pick. I even used two trades to illustrate this and the TB-Ottawa one is even more in favor of being financially conservative. Hickey has played what a total of 5 games the last two seasons in the NHL? Seems weird no one claimed this NHL caliber defensemen or maybe he’s a fringe player?

    Quoting: mhroblak
    I was talking to someone else. This is a good trade for Chicago.

    You didn’t once mention anything about Chicago in this ACGM. You commented on Staal’s cap hit, which was already stated in defense of some illogical argument.
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    Jun. 7, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    You didn’t once mention anything about Chicago in this ACGM. You commented on Staal’s cap hit, which was already stated in defense of some illogical argument.


    …what?

    All I said was Staal’s cap hit was $5.7M. I was correcting someone who said it wasn’t. Had nothing to do with anything you’re talking about.
    Jun. 7, 2021 at 4:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    …what?

    All I said was Staal’s cap hit was $5.7M. I was correcting someone who said it wasn’t. Had nothing to do with anything you’re talking about.

    Post #8 which you quoted said nothing about cap/AAV but rather cash/salary. They were adding context to post #3 that paints Staal’s contract like it was 5.7M salary & AAV. You commented on that post where that fact is already been stated in post #3 and doesn’t have any merit as already outlined in detail by posts 14, 18, & 19. So essentially you commented on someone’s quote saying the same thing while that user is saying cash effects trade value.
    Jun. 7, 2021 at 5:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: BStinson
    Post #8 which you quoted said nothing about cap/AAV but rather cash/salary. They were adding context to post #3 that paints Staal’s contract like it was 5.7M salary & AAV. You commented on that post where that fact is already been stated in post #3 and doesn’t have any merit as already outlined in detail by posts 14, 18, & 19. So essentially you commented on someone’s quote saying the same thing while that user is saying cash effects trade value.


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