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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Tbf, I don't believe the Devils are at the top of UFAs' lists


Taxes would be a major factor in that.
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.
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Dave Pagnotta:

“As I reported this week, they’ve gone back and forth with Buffalo about Eichel, but I’m not convinced they have ‘la voglia’ (the want or desire) to get it done by giving up the package the Sabres want. Jesperi Kotkaniemi would be part of the mix, but neither Cole Caufield nor Nick Suzuki are up for grabs.”

So, as expected neither Caufield nor Suzuki are available. It is a bit surprising that it’s Buffalo that’s offering a package around KK and not the habs.
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quick analysis of some pending UFA's (ranked by points this past year):

Gabriel Landeskog-A+, biggest and best name out there. He's a class act off the ice and a terrific player, he's scored 20 goals (in a season) 8X and 50 points 7X out of 10 seasons (and one was the lockout shortened 2013), and he's only 28 years old. I'm surprised the Avs aren't making more of an effort to keep him, he's definitely worth 60 mil over 7 or 8 years in my mind.

Tyson Barrie-Was the D-man-leading (across the NHL) 48 points in a 56 game season just a product of playing with McDavid/Draisaitl? IMO, that definitely had something to do with it, and thus I'd be careful not to overpay for him, although he still is a solid (but not fantastic) offensive D-man in my mind.

David Krejci-He's said he'll take less to stay in Boston, and that's what's expected to happen.

Alex Ovechkin-He's staying with the Capitals.

Dougie Hamilton-One of the top 7 D-men in the league, he's definitely worth the 8/9 mil AAV he's asking for (if Seth Jones got more than that, it's surprising Hamilton's not asking for 10), the only question is will somebody other than the Canes offer him even more. There's reportedly mutual interest between him and the Devils.

Mike Hoffman-I'm guessing he either goes for another 1-year-deal or a small 2-year-deal with a contender, he dipped a little bit this year (36 points in 52 games). Not worth more than a 3 mil AAV at most.

Zach Hyman-Looks like another bonehead Oilers move, he's good, but not worth 5.5-8 mil a year, 4.5 at most.

Alec Martinez-33, but still producing (32 points for a defenseman in 53 games is pretty good), he could fit in a lot of places, but I wouldn't give him more than 4, maybe 4.5 for 2-3 years, he is 33, after all.

Blake Coleman-About as good of a depth forward you can have, can play anywhere on the line, and do everything well. I hope the Lightning somehow keep him, but if not, teams should be knocking at his door by the truckload.

Tomas Tatar-Coming off a down year (30 points in 50 games) but with several good years before that, but could be a bargain, as he'll likely be forced to settle for less, and definitely has the potential for a rebound campaign.

Alexander Wennberg-An underrated bottom 6 F (29 points, played all 56 games), and only 26, he could be a steal. Snap him up.

Paul Stastny-He's 35 (wow-I did not realize he's that old), and has been declining. He's a 3rd line F at this point, and should be signed as such.

Keith Yandle-I really like Yandle. He may be 34, but has been as dependent as they come, even after a down year, he should get a shot as a defensive defenseman (kind of like Ryan Suter or Marc Staal) somewhere.

Mikael Granlund-He hasn't been great in Nashville, and might fit in better elsewhere with more of a fit role (he's been playing behind Johansen and Duchene for a while). He could be a steal if not overpaid.

Ryan Suter-Like Yandle, Suter's got some grit left in him. He's drawing well-deserved interest from teams like the Islanders that need a really tough defensive blue-liner.

Other bargain watches (potential steals): Mike Reilly (he was excellent when he came over to Boston), Brock McGinn (this guy really could be a steal, he was a beast with increased minutes in the playoffs), Casey Cizikas (a really solid bottom 6 man, doesn't get a lot of points, but is a face-off wizard and defensive stalwart), Joel Armia (Like Cizikas without the face-offs, but a better offensive threat) Luke Gledening, Erik Haula, Brandon Saad, Kyle Palmieri
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:49 p.m.
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Quoting: ConservativeLightningFan91
Quick analysis of some pending UFA's (ranked by points this past year):

Gabriel Landeskog-A+, biggest and best name out there. He's a class act off the ice and a terrific player, he's scored 20 goals (in a season) 8X and 50 points 7X out of 10 seasons (and one was the lockout shortened 2013), and he's only 28 years old. I'm surprised the Avs aren't making more of an effort to keep him, he's definitely worth 60 mil over 7 or 8 years in my mind.

Tyson Barrie-Was the D-man-leading (across the NHL) 48 points in a 56 game season just a product of playing with McDavid/Draisaitl? IMO, that definitely had something to do with it, and thus I'd be careful not to overpay for him, although he still is a solid (but not fantastic) offensive D-man in my mind.

David Krejci-He's said he'll take less to stay in Boston, and that's what's expected to happen.

Alex Ovechkin-He's staying with the Capitals.

Dougie Hamilton-One of the top 7 D-men in the league, he's definitely worth the 8/9 mil AAV he's asking for (if Seth Jones got more than that, it's surprising Hamilton's not asking for 10), the only question is will somebody other than the Canes offer him even more. There's reportedly mutual interest between him and the Devils.

Mike Hoffman-I'm guessing he either goes for another 1-year-deal or a small 2-year-deal with a contender, he dipped a little bit this year (36 points in 52 games). Not worth more than a 3 mil AAV at most.

Zach Hyman-Looks like another bonehead Oilers move, he's good, but not worth 5.5-8 mil a year, 4.5 at most.

Alec Martinez-33, but still producing (32 points for a defenseman in 53 games is pretty good), he could fit in a lot of places, but I wouldn't give him more than 4, maybe 4.5 for 2-3 years, he is 33, after all.

Blake Coleman-About as good of a depth forward you can have, can play anywhere on the line, and do everything well. I hope the Lightning somehow keep him, but if not, teams should be knocking at his door by the truckload.

Tomas Tatar-Coming off a down year (30 points in 50 games) but with several good years before that, but could be a bargain, as he'll likely be forced to settle for less, and definitely has the potential for a rebound campaign.

Alexander Wennberg-An underrated bottom 6 F (29 points, played all 56 games), and only 26, he could be a steal. Snap him up.

Paul Stastny-He's 35 (wow-I did not realize he's that old), and has been declining. He's a 3rd line F at this point, and should be signed as such.

Keith Yandle-I really like Yandle. He may be 34, but has been as dependent as they come, even after a down year, he should get a shot as a defensive defenseman (kind of like Ryan Suter or Marc Staal) somewhere.

Mikael Granlund-He hasn't been great in Nashville, and might fit in better elsewhere with more of a fit role (he's been playing behind Johansen and Duchene for a while). He could be a steal if not overpaid.

Ryan Suter-Like Yandle, Suter's got some grit left in him. He's drawing well-deserved interest from teams like the Islanders that need a really tough defensive blue-liner.

Other bargain watches (potential steals): Mike Reilly (he was excellent when he came over to Boston), Brock McGinn (this guy really could be a steal, he was a beast with increased minutes in the playoffs), Casey Cizikas (a really solid bottom 6 man, doesn't get a lot of points, but is a face-off wizard and defensive stalwart), Joel Armia (Like Cizikas without the face-offs, but a better offensive threat) Luke Gledening, Erik Haula, Brandon Saad, Kyle Palmieri


That was Krejci a couple of months ago, now he is undecided

In his end of the season media Zoom call, David Krejci, who can become an unrestricted free agent on July 28, seemingly had no idea as to whether or not he would return to the Boston Bruins or hit the UFA market, or potentially retire from the NHL and move back to the Czech Republic to play.

Also recently Sweeney says they have been in touch but Krejci seems to be leaning towards going to play in Czech
Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
That was Krejci a couple of months ago, now he is undecided

In his end of the season media Zoom call, David Krejci, who can become an unrestricted free agent on July 28, seemingly had no idea as to whether or not he would return to the Boston Bruins or hit the UFA market, or potentially retire from the NHL and move back to the Czech Republic to play.


Interesting, didn't realize things had changed
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Lol the Seth Jones trade is 148-9-4 for Columbus


Should be 161-0
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Tbf, I don't believe the Devils are at the top of UFAs' lists


There is some rumors about Hamilton wanting to come to NJ
Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:55 p.m.
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So according to Arthur Staple of the Athletic (Islanders Repoerer)

Pealch's camp rn is asking for 7x8yrs and Cizikas is asking for a deal in the 5mill range

shakes head
Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:56 p.m.
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There is some rumors about Hamilton wanting to come to NJ


They got the money for him and he does want money

thats the connection rn

Rn there are 4 teams reportedly in on him

Carolina
Montreal (Friedman)
Toronto (Friedman)
New Jersey

Almost all other teams have pulled out and I dont blame them as 8mill + aint cheap
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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So according to Arthur Staple of the Athletic

Pealch rn is asking for 7x8yrs and Cizikas is asking for a deal in the 5mill range

shakes head


Pelech’s contract is fair. Cizikas appears to be trying to take advantage of Lamiorello, because that’s ridiculous.
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
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So according to Arthur Staple of the Athletic (Islanders Repoerer)

Pealch's camp rn is asking for 7x8yrs and Cizikas is asking for a deal in the 5mill range


Cizikas wants 5 mil a year?! That can't be true, it doesn't make any sense
Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:58 p.m.
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Pelech’s contract is fair. Cizikas appears to be trying to take advantage of Lamiorello, because that’s ridiculous.


Yeah I think Pealch is in the fair range. Cizikas though is a 4th liner asking for Pageau money. Should be asking for no more than 2mill
Jul. 25, 2021 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: ConservativeLightningFan91
Cizikas wants 5 mil a year?! That can't be true, it doesn't make any sense


Apparently the report came out due to Seattle inquiring on if he was interested in joining and his asking price was 5mill

If Francis or Lou gives him that

Yikes
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Tbf, I don't believe the Devils are at the top of UFAs' lists


Money talks. But, I do not expect Fitz to chase Hamilton or Gabe. This team is probably at least 2 years away from chasing big time UFA's.
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.
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Apparently the report came out due to Seattle wanting him to come and his asking price was 5mill

If Francis or Lou gives him that

Yikes


Quoting: ConservativeLightningFan91

Other bargain watches (potential steals): Mike Reilly (he was excellent when he came over to Boston), Brock McGinn (this guy really could be a steal, he was a beast with increased minutes in the playoffs), Casey Cizikas (a really solid bottom 6 man, doesn't get a lot of points, but is a face-off wizard and defensive stalwart), Joel Armia (Like Cizikas without the face-offs, but a better offensive threat) Luke Gledening, Erik Haula, Brandon Saad, Kyle Palmieri


That would be incredibly stupid. Like I said above, I thought Cizikas could be a bargain for a team, he's a really underrated bottom 6 forward, but he's not worth 5 mil
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:10 p.m.
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Luke Hughes and Jack Hughes
Colton Dach and Kirby Dach
Taylor Makar and Cale Makar
Caleb Jones and Seth Jones
Josh Doan and Shane Doan

Lot of family reunions


The N in NHL stands for nepotism
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:11 p.m.
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They got the money for him and he does want money

thats the connection rn

Rn there are 4 teams reportedly in on him

Carolina
Montreal (Friedman)
Toronto (Friedman)
New Jersey

Almost all other teams have pulled out and I dont blame them as 8mill + aint cheap


I think he might stay in Carolina

They "have gotten closer in their negotiations and he feels good about getting a deal done."
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:22 p.m.
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So the rangers are ****ing stupid for thinking Braden Schneider is > Eichel…????? HUH
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:25 p.m.
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:33 p.m.
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Rate your teams Draft. LMK how you think your team did. Some teams might have done amazing for some picks(like Minnesota) and others did horrible for some(like Edmonton still can't believe they traded down)
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:39 p.m.
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I think he might stay in Carolina

They "have gotten closer in their negotiations and he feels good about getting a deal done."


Yeah probs Wendell saw the backlash and decided to spend. But lets see cause things could change
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Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:40 p.m.
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So the rangers are ****ing stupid for thinking Braden Schneider is > Eichel…????? HUH


Its like if Buffalo called Toronto and said we want Robertson as the main part of the package for Eichel (none of the big 4) and Dubas said no.

Like Schneider wont even be on the team considering the right side for years will be Fox, Trouba and Lundqvist.

Rangers got realistically 2-3 years under gallant to make a statement and try for a cup. There division next to the Atlantic is one of the toughest. If I'm Chris Drury I go to Schneider and say kid your going to buffalo and make the deal for Eichel
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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Rate your teams Draft. LMK how you think your team did. Some teams might have done amazing for some picks(like Minnesota) and others did horrible for some(like Edmonton still can't believe they traded down)


B+
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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So the rangers are ****ing stupid for thinking Braden Schneider is > Eichel…????? HUH


Drury moment
Jul. 25, 2021 at 5:55 p.m.
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So I had to check something and it turns out I was semi-correct

So teams can re-trade for the guys they lost to Seattle

Only rule is no retention can be involved

Makes sense for guys on big deals like Tarasenko or Price.

Basically same Vegas rules of 2017

Wonder who is gonna try and get their guy back

The 1 year rule applies for buyouts for selected players
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