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Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Something like a B prospect + 2022 2nd round pick?


Maybe add a 1B goalie like Khudobin too
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil1122
Maybe add a 1B goalie like Khudobin too


But they already got Jones.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:05 p.m.
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I think everyone’s brainwashed to think Myers is awful. The only thing awful is his contract. The player himself isn’t even that bad. These days people look at a bad contract and determine that the player is also super bad. He isn’t. With retained money he’s actually worth something


Same thing with Subban

He's a decent defensemen and gets way too much hate right now

People just consider him to be awful because of his contract and the fact that he's past his prime
Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:06 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
But they already got Jones.


Let's be real, a tandem of Jones and Hart...that's not going to turn out so good

Especially if their defense plays bad again
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil1122
Let's be real, a tandem of Jones and Hart...that's not going to turn out so good

Especially if their defense plays bad again


I know, but what are they going to do with Jones who was just signed to a contract of 2 million dollars?

Even if the signing wasn’t smart they’ll have to endure it because you don’t trade someone you just signed, and 2 million for a scratch isn’t ideal.
Aug. 24, 2021 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Huh? The contract is only bad if he’s not worth that amount of money lol. Saying he’s not awful just not worth 6mil is literally the exact same thing as saying he has a bad contract. It’s the same reason people say Marner’s contract is bad. He’s an elite player, worth probably 9mil a year based on the market for elite wingers (a little below Rantanen/Stone/Kucherov) but he’s making nearly 11mil, so the contract is bad.


I don’t know what you’re arguing here. You’re literally agreeing with me?
Aug. 24, 2021 at 5:47 p.m.
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Why are analytics broken for Dallas and Minnesota?

For Dallas, Jamie Benn is still a superstar, Blake Comeau should win the Selke, John Klingberg and Miro Heiskanen are both hot garbage, Anton Khudobin doesn’t belong in the NHL and Radek Falsa is the worst payer in the league along with a Minnesota player to be named shortly

For Minnesota, Jordan Greenway is the other worst player in the league, Eriksson Ek should win the Hart, Marcus Foligno is an elite talent, the entire 4th line should be a 1st line, Jared Spurgeon should win the Norris and Kaapo Kahkonen is the NHLs worst goalie
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 5:50 p.m.
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Why are analytics broken for Dallas and Minnesota?

For Dallas, Jamie Benn is still a superstar, Blake Comeau should win the Selke, John Klingberg and Miro Heiskanen are both hot garbage, Anton Khudobin doesn’t belong in the NHL and Radek Falsa is the worst payer in the league along with a Minnesota player to be named shortly

For Minnesota, Jordan Greenway is the other worst player in the league, Eriksson Ek should win the Hart, Marcus Foligno is an elite talent, the entire 4th line should be a 1st line, Jared Spurgeon should win the Norris and Kaapo Kahkonen is the NHLs worst goalie


I would like to know who said that so that I can put them on my hit list behind Comeau.
Aug. 24, 2021 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
I would like to know who said that so that I can put them on my hit list behind Comeau.


The TopDownHockey model used by JFresh
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 5:55 p.m.
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Quoting: TheFlamingC
The TopDownHockey model used by JFresh


Tbh I should knock out the whole analytics community, they make the word “hyperbole” on a whole other level.

Also if analytics are the key to win then why did Heiskanen win more playoff series alone then Toronto in the last 15 + years?
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Tbh I should knock out the whole analytics community, they make the word “hyperbole” on a whole other level.

Also if analytics are the key to win then why did Heiskanen win more playoff series alone then Toronto in the last 15 + years?


I like analytics as a tool to be used but some of the stuff I’ve seen in the last week or so has made me question their validity. Just mind bogglingly incorrect things. Like Valeri Nichushkin and Nic Hague being superstars. I guess people make mind bogglingly incorrect takes all the time as well so there’s no perfect tool but I just don’t know what to think after I read stuff like that. I saw today that David Perron is incompetent offensively after he posted 4 seasons super close to a point per game. Like wtf. And that Patrick Kane was a middle 6 winger last year. I’ll continue to use them and just take their information with a grain of salt but how can people sware by these things and say their complete undeniable fact and discard your opinion if you disagree after reading things like that
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:08 p.m.
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Lol some biased leafs fan thought Matthews would outscore McDavid Draisaitl and MacKinnion
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:10 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Lol some biased leafs fan thought Matthews would outscore McDavid Draisaitl and MacKinnion


Matthews is not a big points guy. He is a goal scorer. So if he meant outscore by means of goals per season then yes Matthews would probs score more. But if were looking at total point production including assists then no except for Draisaitl.

So dont be expecting him to win the Art Ross unless he has a career season in points other than goals.
Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:11 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Lol some biased leafs fan thought Matthews would outscore McDavid Draisaitl and MacKinnion


McDavid is doubtful but the other 2 are entirely possible if we’re just talking point scoring. He outscored MacKinnon last year, albeit in 4 more games
Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:15 p.m.
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Quoting: TheFlamingC
I like analytics as a tool to be used but some of the stuff I’ve seen in the last week or so has made me question their validity. Just mind bogglingly incorrect things. Like Valeri Nichushkin and Nic Hague being superstars. I guess people make mind bogglingly incorrect takes all the time as well so there’s no perfect tool but I just don’t know what to think after I read stuff like that. I saw today that David Perron is incompetent offensively after he posted 4 seasons super close to a point per game. Like wtf. And that Patrick Kane was a middle 6 winger last year. I’ll continue to use them and just take their information with a grain of salt but how can people sware by these things and say their complete undeniable fact and discard your opinion if you disagree after reading things like that


Agree, they use the word hyperbole extremely.

They avoid any sort of context at all. Like the argument of Drai vs Nichushkin is that Nichushkin has better stats therefore he’s better, but Drai won the Hart 2 years ago while Nichushkin got bought out 3 years ago.

Using stats is good, but you can’t try to argue the fact that a top 10 player is worst than a 3rd line two way forward. If you want to use stats to compare O’Reilly and Couturier I get, but don’t try to compare Blake Comeau to Connor McDavid.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:18 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Agree, they use the word hyperbole extremely.

They avoid any sort of context at all. Like the argument of Drai vs Nichushkin is that Nichushkin has better stats therefore he’s better, but Drai won the Hart 2 years ago while Nichushkin got bought out 3 years ago.

Using stats is good, but you can’t try to argue the fact that a top 10 player is worst than a 3rd line two way forward.


Analytics are good in certain areas but should not be used in their entirety. Like sometimes analytics say a player sucks, he joins a new team and all of a sudden everything clicks and bam his stats go way up.

Then you get cases where analytics are unexplainable

Like Perrons just came out and Jfresh be puzzles rn





Good player but weird analytics
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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Man Jfresh be having fun against Florida fans with his posts these days. Guess them going after his tandem made the educator in him come out.

Like wow did he spit some facts to them about the 2017 Vegas expansion cause I dont think we have ever seen a team just give away assets like this ever.





And this was apparently done in order to protect this guy


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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:29 p.m.
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So St Louis is reportedly exploring all options regarding Scandella. If he does not improve come next season expect either a trade similar to Wood/Staal or buyout

Knew that extension was bad as he returned to his old self after overachieving in the 2019-2020 season. Could have used the money to keep Pitrangelo
Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:33 p.m.
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Man Jfresh be having fun against Florida fans with his posts these days. Guess them going after his tandem made the educator in him come out.

Like wow did he spit some facts to them about the 2017 Vegas expansion cause I dont think we have ever seen a team just give away assets like this ever.





And this was apparently done in order to protect this guy




Lol Petrovic is now with our AHL squad.
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:34 p.m.
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Quoting: EsoYeezus69
Lol Petrovic is now with our AHL squad.


It all worked out for everyone in the end but Florida wink
Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:39 p.m.
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It all worked out for everyone in the end but Florida wink


I guess people this time around decided not to make that kind of mistake. To bad for Seattle…
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:43 p.m.
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Lol some biased leafs fan thought Matthews would outscore McDavid Draisaitl and MacKinnion


He also said Tavares is a top 5 center...
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:43 p.m.
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He also said Tavares is a top 5 center...


That’s extra biased
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:44 p.m.
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Flyers did a pretty good job this offseason

The biggest mistakes was overpaying for Risto and not getting a better backup
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Aug. 24, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Lol some biased leafs fan thought Matthews would outscore McDavid Draisaitl and MacKinnion


Quoting: Devil1122
He also said Tavares is a top 5 center...


Hello guys! I’m back!!

Yes he did, but on his account it says he’s only 13… so I’m sorry, but I didn’t take it too seriously. McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon will definitely out score Matthews! They are way better at getting points. Now yes, Tavares is not a top 5 center man… not even close. I would say he is probably top 15! I would have to check all the center men, but he may be.
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