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What it would actually take to get Eichel

Created by: Jdfitz77
Initial Creation Date: Jun 8, 2021
Published: Jun 8 at 2:00
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Trades
NYR
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Lafrenière, Alexis
  2. Kakko, Kaapo
  3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
Buyouts
  • Kevin Shattenkirk: $6,083,333
  • Henrik Lundqvist: $5,500,000
  • Dan Girardi: $1,111,111
  • Ryan Spooner: $300,000
  • Brad Richards: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
NYR
BUF
NYR
LAK
OTT
NYR
NYR
NYR
2022
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
2023
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
NYR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$85,553,966$0$5,712,500-$4,053,966
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Kreider, Chris
$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Strome, Ryan
$4,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
NYR
Di Giuseppe, Phillip
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
NYR
Chytil, Filip
$894,166
C, LW
RFA - 1
NYR
Gauthier, Julien
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
NYR
Howden, Brett
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
NYR
Rooney, Kevin
$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
NYR
Blackwell, Colin
$725,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYR
Smith, Brendan
$4,350,000
LD/RD, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
NYR
Trouba, Jacob
$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$2,425,000
G
RFA - 2
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
$925,000
LD
RFA - 3
NYR
Fox, Adam
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
NYR
Shesterkin, Igor
$925,000
G
RFA - 1
NYR
Lindgren, Ryan
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Kinkaid, Keith
$825,000
G
UFA - 2
NYR
Jones, Zachary
$925,000
LD
RFA - 3
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 1
NYR
Bitetto, Anthony
$737,500
LD
UFA - 2
Taxi Squad
NYR
Deangelo, Anthony
$4,800,000 ($3,725,000)
RD
UFA - 2
NYR
Johnson, Jack
$1,150,000 ($75,000)
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun 8 at 5:10
#51
Shibbal18
Joined: Jan 2016
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
this is a bad take. the ship has sailed on the "if an outrageous offer does not present itself, Buffalo will keep him" narrative. things are so bad between Buffalo and Eichel, that relationship is over.
in regards to interest in Eichel, it will be a bidding war from the bottom up not the top down.
sure, "half the league" is going to call on Eichel, but the number of teams that will submit quality offers is probably 5 teams or less.
if you are expecting this type of return for an injured, disgruntled, and all but demanded out Eichel - it will be a long summer for you.
regardless of the outcome, it can be guaranteed that Eichel will not be in Buffalo come next season and either will Byfield or Laf...

GOODBYE JACK!


Yes, the KHL will love having an actual North American talent
Jun 8 at 5:12
#52
Shibbal18
Joined: Jan 2016
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Quoting: palhal
Teams would rather spend 10m in free agency and keep their picks and prospects than make a deal for Eichel. Gotta think there isn't to going to be a frenzy to acquire Eichel, especially for what Sabres fans hope for.


This is a really bad take, Players like Eichel are only available with a top 2 pick 98% of the time, teams are interested in trading for him
Jun 8 at 5:13
#53
Shibbal18
Joined: Jan 2016
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Quoting: Timmah007
How is his injury not a factor? Nobody is going to unload years worth of assets for a guy that can very well spend next year on ltir…


Because its not nearly as bad as you are making it out to be, like not even in the same ballpark
Jun 8 at 5:22
#54
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,399
Likes: 540
Quoting: Jdfitz77
You’re lame
Rangers suck too dude, u guys are golfing along with us
And you’re not getting Eichel....


Haha, that’s the best you got? Your buddy Shibbal liked your post so that should be some validation for you.
Jun 8 at 5:54
#55
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 38,217
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Quoting: Hockey_Hell
Who in free agency is going to be as good as Jack Eichel under contract for 5 years?


Well probably no one this year. But you certainly can't use that as an argument. Teams might feel it is way more advantageous to sign two 5m UFAs and keep their young assets. If success of teams was based on the amount of money teams spend on their stars players....the Oilers, Leafs, Kings, Hawks, Sabres and Rangers would have been winning Cups in the past five years
Jun 8 at 6:02
#56
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Shibbal18
This is a really bad take, Players like Eichel are only available with a top 2 pick 98% of the time, teams are interested in trading for him


No, my opinion (factual in my eyes) makes a lot more sense than Sabres fans ignoring other teams cap and structure of teams roster. Yes, I agree teams will be interested in trading for Eichel, but the price will be much lower than what 90% of the Sabres fans expect.
We'll see what happens. IMO the that 10m can be spend very well on UFAs, and still have the flow young assets upcoming in future years.

Gee look at this roster. Over the cap, and well over the cap when bonuses are considered.
Jun 8 at 6:12
#57
Shibbal18
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Quoting: palhal
No, my opinion (factual in my eyes) makes a lot more sense than Sabres fans ignoring other teams cap and structure of teams roster. Yes, I agree teams will be interested in trading for Eichel, but the price will be much lower than what 90% of the Sabres fans expect.
We'll see what happens. IMO the that 10m can be spend very well on UFAs, and still have the flow young assets upcoming in future years.

Gee look at this roster. Over the cap, and well over the cap when bonuses are considered.


A. you said theyd be better off spending 10 mill in free agency, insinuating theyre are adding 10 mill in cap regardless.
B. Eichel isnt going to the Rangers and the most realistic trades are to teams like LA, who can easily fit him and have assets Buffalo wants and there are plenty of teams that can add a little bit of salary on their return and be completely fine. The Rangers have a cap problem, but the Rangers were never realistically a trade partner, Ranger fans just feel entitled to him because of last summer
Jun 8 at 6:12
#58
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Jdfitz77
No one they MIGHT get in free agency is anywhere near Eichel’s level
Your assumption doesn’t hold up to reality


Sorry the assumption doesn't hold up at all. Teams that pay the most for top stars, haven't won the Cup....in the past five years maybe more. There is more being a true contender than having one or two of the most highly paid, and maybe even the best players on a teams roster. No team is going to wreck their cap, restructure their roster drastically and deplete their flow of young prospects for Eichel.
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Jun 8 at 6:23
#59
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Shibbal18
A. you said theyd be better off spending 10 mill in free agency, insinuating theyre are adding 10 mill in cap regardless.
B. Eichel isnt going to the Rangers and the most realistic trades are to teams like LA, who can easily fit him and have assets Buffalo wants and there are plenty of teams that can add a little bit of salary on their return and be completely fine. The Rangers have a cap problem, but the Rangers were never realistically a trade partner, Ranger fans just feel entitled to him because of last summer


You mentioned the Kings....one of few teams that have the cap for Eichel. If traded, the Kings would have a roster of 19 and 10m to complete their roster. But the argument I present, is that Kings don't want to give up assets, just because the Sabres want them. Again the Kings could spend 10m in free agency...,.,and still keep their youngsters. Could be short term UFAs, and then their current prospects (which Sabres fans desperately think they are entitled to) replace these short term UFAs. Or maybe the Kings sign big name UFA like Hamilton, have cap room, and their prospects.
The actual "trade market" for 10m Eichel isn't that large.
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Jun 8 at 7:56
#60
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Quoting: Shibbal18
A. you said theyd be better off spending 10 mill in free agency, insinuating theyre are adding 10 mill in cap regardless.
B. Eichel isnt going to the Rangers and the most realistic trades are to teams like LA, who can easily fit him and have assets Buffalo wants and there are plenty of teams that can add a little bit of salary on their return and be completely fine. The Rangers have a cap problem, but the Rangers were never realistically a trade partner, Ranger fans just feel entitled to him because of last summer


Assets Buffalo wants or assets you want? Wasn’t aware you were in the know and have an idea of what Buffalo wants. Let me know how family dinner goes on Sunday.
Jun 8 at 8:16
#61
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
Assets Buffalo wants or assets you want? Wasn’t aware you were in the know and have an idea of what Buffalo wants. Let me know how family dinner goes on Sunday.


As I am a fan of the team, assets i want are the team needs, which should be what Buffalo wants or Adams should be fired. Crap 3rd liners and D prospects arent it
Jun 8 at 9:02
#62
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Quoting: palhal
Sorry the assumption doesn't hold up at all. Teams that pay the most for top stars, haven't won the Cup....in the past five years maybe more. There is more being a true contender than having one or two of the most highly paid, and maybe even the best players on a teams roster. No team is going to wreck their cap, restructure their roster drastically and deplete their flow of young prospects for Eichel.


U make a good point
But u know teams will be willing to do it anyways
Jun 8 at 9:03
#63
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
Haha, that’s the best you got? Your buddy Shibbal liked your post so that should be some validation for you.


Yawn
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Jun 8 at 10:28
#64
Dawn for GM imo
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Quoting: Kravtsov_Stan
I wouldn't consider that disappointing as acquiring him could cause major cap problems in the Future


That's ur call and that's perfectly fair, I just don't feel NYR fans should act like he'll be traded to NYR for a 2021 1st and Zachary Jones lmao
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Jun 9 at 9:21
#65
Joined: Jun 2020
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Quoting: Timmah007
Thank you!!!! I’ve been saying this for months. I’m not even sure mcdavid could fetch half the returns sabers fans seem to think. Sooo many times see “any eichel trade starts with…” like the sabers are in position of having any leverage he’s a good not great top line centre that is seriously broken and disgruntled if the injury doesn’t scare away most of the league his attitude will. This is one case I gotta say accepting pennies on the dollar is the best case scenario it’s a distraction and negative look on the franchise longer this drags out.


"He's a good not great top line center" he was top 5 in hart voting just last year, averaged ppg with a broken rib this year. The team sucking is the only reason his "attitude" is bad, ROR was the same reasoning and suddenly that disappears when you start winning.
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Jun 9 at 7:22
#66
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Quoting: Timmah007
Thank you!!!! I’ve been saying this for months. I’m not even sure mcdavid could fetch half the returns sabers fans seem to think. Sooo many times see “any eichel trade starts with…” like the sabers are in position of having any leverage he’s a good not great top line centre that is seriously broken and disgruntled if the injury doesn’t scare away most of the league his attitude will. This is one case I gotta say accepting pennies on the dollar is the best case scenario it’s a distraction and negative look on the franchise longer this drags out.


Well most of this is just plain wrong...
 
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