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Testing the waters

Created by: OutCold13
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 8, 2021
Published: Jun. 8, 2021
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Some trades I want to test here, just checking interest and value for teams involved. I could definitely see the Coyotes wanting a prospect as well, but I figured I would start with this offer and see where it goes.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$7,500,000
6$5,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,250,000
2$1,250,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
Trades
1.
MIN
  1. Kessel, Phil
  2. Schmaltz, Nick
Additional Details:
So this is a bit of a mashup of trades I've seen on here previously and will likely need tweaking.
Arizona motivation is saving money: Schmaltz's cap hit is 5.85 Mil AAV but his actual money is significantly more.
Coyotes desperately will need a RHD
and Kessel is nearing the end of his contract.
Aquiring Parise will offset the actual money Kessel would have made this year but helps the Coyotes hit the cap floor while spending less assuming the trade is made before Kessel's bonus is due. After next season Parise is owed 4 million total over the last 3 years in actual money.
ARI
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Parise, Zach
  3. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
Additional Details:
Parise excepts trade to continue getting consistent playing time and AZ's tax savings.
Phil agrees to waive to MN for a chance to win.
2.
MIN
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Thompson, Tage
Additional Details:
Tage is included to help offset money since I'm guessing signing Fiala will cost more than 4 million AAV.
BUF
  1. Fiala, Kevin [RFA Rights]
  2. Rossi, Marco
  3. Schmaltz, Nick
  4. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
3.
MIN
    Wild protected list
    Eichel
    Zuccarello
    Ek
    Kessel
    Foligno
    Sturm
    Greenway
    Suter
    Spurgeon
    Brodin
    Kahkonen

    Wild draft exempt:
    Kaprizov
    Boldy
    Addison

    It would likely be Soucy, Talbot, Hartman, or Thompson but best guess Soucy.
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
    Logo of the MIN
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    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    2022
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the MIN
    2023
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    Logo of the MIN
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$75,801,667$0$815,000$5,698,333
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $7,500,000$7,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $10,000,000$10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RW, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $5,750,000$5,750,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
    $6,800,000$6,800,000
    RW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $3,100,000$3,100,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $725,000$725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $2,100,000$2,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $1,250,000$1,250,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $3,650,000$3,650,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $7,575,000$7,575,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $3,666,667$3,666,667
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $725,000$725,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $925,000$925,000
    D
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $850,000$850,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Minnesota Wild
    $825,833$825,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LW, C
    RFA - 1

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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:35 p.m.
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    Parise and Kessel decline
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:38 p.m.
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    That's excessive value for Eichel. And Kessel already nixed a deal here, and I have no clue why we would want him anyway. That roster is maybe marginally better at best for the next year, maybe two, and then the future is worse.
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Parise and Kessel decline


    You don't think Kessel wants to win and Parise wants to play?
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:42 p.m.
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    You don't think Kessel wants to win and Parise wants to play?


    There are a lot better teams to waive to if he was interested in leaving the warm weather of Arizona for a 3rd ring
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:43 p.m.
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    You don't think Kessel wants to win and Parise wants to play?


    He already won two Cups, I genuinely don't think he cares anymore. Beyond that, if he wants to win he's not coming here.
    And again, he already said no to coming here when Fenton tried getting him. What would have changed his mind since then?
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caerii
    That's excessive value for Eichel. And Kessel already nixed a deal here, and I have no clue why we would want him anyway. That roster is maybe marginally better at best for the next year, maybe two, and then the future is worse.


    Things have changed since Kessel nixed the deal. You want Kessel because for reasons unknown, he scores goals.
    It could prove problematic for the future but if Judd Bracket is as good as advertised then it should be workable. The Eichel deal dose feel expensive but I don't put a lot of value in the Wild late first rounders this year.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:45 p.m.
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    There are a lot better teams to waive to if he was interested in leaving the warm weather of Arizona for a 3rd ring


    Possibly, but are they calling?
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:47 p.m.
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    You don't think Kessel wants to win and Parise wants to play?


    N.v ah. Don't want Kessel at all. Dude is old as a rock. He also had his chance to come here, & said no

    Parise 100 percent isn't waiving for Arizona, so that DEAL isn't happening

    The 2nd deal is way too much for eichel. Totally get where you are coming from, I do. But ni thanks to Kessel, & You paid too much for eichel
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:47 p.m.
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    Possibly, but are they calling?


    Is who calling? Minnesota? Yeah they win that trade bt a mile. Schmaltz has a fair bit more value than Dumba
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caerii
    He already won two Cups, I genuinely don't think he cares anymore. Beyond that, if he wants to win he's not coming here.
    And again, he already said no to coming here when Fenton tried getting him. What would have changed his mind since then?


    Fenton isn't the GM anymore and the Wild have gone from sinking team to team on the rise.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: OutCold13
    Things have changed since Kessel nixed the deal. You want Kessel because for reasons unknown, he scores goals.
    It could prove problematic for the future but if Judd Bracket is as good as advertised then it should be workable. The Eichel deal dose feel expensive but I don't put a lot of value in the Wild late first rounders this year.


    You want Judd to be effective by giving away his firsts?

    I don't know where the narrative comes from that he's some omnipotent drafting god. He's not. He can't pull Kaprizov's with every fifth round pick. You still need your 1st round picks if you want him to get good players.

    I understand you want a center, I understand you want to win, but man, what this deal would do is give us a 2-3 year window, and then we'd have nothing to replace guys like Zuccarello, Kessel, Spurgeon and Suter when they get bad or leave. We'd end up having to trade Eichel before his contract is up anyway, because he's not going to sign with a declining team with no future.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: OutCold13
    Fenton isn't the GM anymore and the Wild have gone from sinking team to team on the rise.


    Do you honestly attribute that to Guerin? Fiala, Boldy, Beckman, those were all Fenton. Kaprizov was Fletcher. Guerin's big impact so far has been Cam Talbot and Marco Rossi who fell into his lap.
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caerii
    You want Judd to be effective by giving away his firsts?

    I don't know where the narrative comes from that he's some omnipotent drafting god. He's not. He can't pull Kaprizov's with every fifth round pick. You still need your 1st round picks if you want him to get good players.

    I understand you want a center, I understand you want to win, but man, what this deal would do is give us a 2-3 year window, and then we'd have nothing to replace guys like Zuccarello, Kessel, Spurgeon and Suter when they get bad or leave. We'd end up having to trade Eichel before his contract is up anyway, because he's not going to sign with a declining team with no future.


    Losing the guys you just named frees up a ton of cap so that's not a total dead end.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 9:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Do you honestly attribute that to Guerin? Fiala, Boldy, Beckman, those were all Fenton. Kaprizov was Fletcher. Guerin's big impact so far has been Cam Talbot and Marco Rossi who fell into his lap.


    No it turns out Fenton kinda knew what he was doing, but he just rubs people the wrong way.
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: OutCold13
    Losing the guys you just named frees up a ton of cap so that's not a total dead end.


    So your plan to fill in the gaps is to overpay past their prime UFAs?

    Genuinely, how can you think we're better off two to three years in the future after making these moves? We'd have Eichel, Kaprizov, Boldy, Ek, sure, that's nice, but we have no other high end prospects to speak of after you moved Rossi and our two 1sts this year, we have no scoring depth because Kessel is gone, Ek isn't really a real 2C, and Boldy can't carry a line by himself. What's the plan?

    And again, who's to say Eichel doesn't walk when his contract is over?
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:13 p.m.
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    So your plan to fill in the gaps is to overpay past their prime UFAs?

    Genuinely, how can you think we're better off two to three years in the future after making these moves? We'd have Eichel, Kaprizov, Boldy, Ek, sure, that's nice, but we have no other high end prospects to speak of after you moved Rossi and our two 1sts this year, we have no scoring depth because Kessel is gone, Ek isn't really a real 2C, and Boldy can't carry a line by himself. What's the plan?

    And again, who's to say Eichel doesn't walk when his contract is over?


    Ek put up at minimum 2c numbers this year without offensively gifted wings. This is the first real opportunity he has gotten and he did well. So I disagree Ek is a legit 2C.

    Yes you over pay for most FAs but with the flat cap I think you could find some gems.

    I think I mentioned it earlier but I'm not really expecting to get anything special in the late 1st of this year's draft.

    Back to Bracket I know he won't find a Kaprizov under every stone. That happens once or twice in a career if you are very good. Just looking to hit on solid depth in most cases.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Is who calling? Minnesota? Yeah they win that trade bt a mile. Schmaltz has a fair bit more value than Dumba


    All I'm saying is, do you think there is much of a market for Kessel? My guess is only if the Coyotes want to eat salary, I doubt they are looking to do that. Schmaltz likely does have more value than Dumba but this isn't a straight Dumba for Schmaltz deal and there are money implications involved for the Coyotes. I would assume the money would even get more complicated than what I've got going on here.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:25 p.m.
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    Reckon they take Talbot over Soucy, no?

    +14 GSAA over his last two seasons

    Not that much more $ either
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: OutCold13
    All I'm saying is, do you think there is much of a market for Kessel? My guess is only if the Coyotes want to eat salary, I doubt they are looking to do that. Schmaltz likely does have more value than Dumba but this isn't a straight Dumba for Schmaltz deal and there are money implications involved for the Coyotes. I would assume the money would even get more complicated than what I've got going on here.


    Not a lot, he's gonna block most potential trades at this point
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:31 p.m.
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    That first deal deserves more intellectual energy (and honesty? 🤔) than people gave it here -what else is new tho- definitely has more depth to it than seems

    Maybe Parise is tired of feeling his legacy drag in MIN

    2 won playoff series total during his + Suter's 'era'

    In AZ there's 0 angst he just gets paid 💰 to play 🏒

    Very few other places he could possibly go either
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Reckon they take Talbot over Soucy, no?

    +14 GSAA over his last two seasons

    Not that much more $ either


    Possibly, but I'd rather protect the young guy. Talbot gave the Wild credible goaltending. At times he was great and at times he was kinda bad but mostly he was consistent at stopping what he was suppose to stop. If Kraken take him Wild will have to scramble a bit to find another guy to pair with Kahkonen. Maybe Freddy Anderson, not sure who but a guy can be found.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:47 p.m.
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    Good Eichel trade
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:48 p.m.
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    Good Eichel trade


    No it's not, it's just an overpayment that benefits your team.
    Jun. 8, 2021 at 10:50 p.m.
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    Kinda unrelated to these trades, but after tonight I have a feeling Carolina will make a strong offer for Eichel. They certainly have a ton of talented young pieces to get a deal done. I just think we get outbid, probably even with what you have here (I also think it's an overpayment).
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    Jun. 8, 2021 at 11:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: TanSor
    Kinda unrelated to these trades, but after tonight I have a feeling Carolina will make a strong offer for Eichel. They certainly have a ton of talented young pieces to get a deal done. I just think we get outbid, probably even with what you have here (I also think it's an overpayment).


    Yeah if they are in Wild are probably out. Honestly if it gets into a bidding war then Canes, Rangers, Ducks, Kings will not be beatable.
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