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Mitch Marner Appreciation Post

Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:17 a.m.
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These are the only players that have averaged above 1.10 PTS/GAME over the last 3 seasons

Player GP P P/GP
Connor McDavid 198 318 1.61
Leon Draisaitl 209 299 1.43
Nikita Kucherov 150 213 1.42
Nathan MacKinnon 199 257 1.29
Brad Marchand 202 256 1.27
Artemi Panarin 190 240 1.26
Patrick Kane 207 260 1.26
David Pastrnak 184 224 1.22
Sidney Crosby 175 209 1.19
Mitchell Marner 196 228 1.16
Mikko Rantanen 168 194 1.15
Auston Matthews 190 219 1.15
Jonathan Huberdeau 206 231 1.12
Steven Stamkos 177 198 1.12
Evgeni Malkin 156 174 1.12

Would you trade any of these players if you were a contender?

Of course his CAP HIT should be considered, so using the cost per point tool on this site, I took all forwards expiring UFA standard contracts that scored more than 20 points and using a python script found that his cost per point fell into the 65 percentile group, alongside these names.

PLAYER AGE TYPE EXPIRY CAP PER_P PER_P_PERCENTILE
Marner, Mitchell 23 Stnd UFA 10903000 109149 65
Kane, Patrick 32 Stnd UFA 10500000 108647 65
Tatar, Tomas 30 Stnd UFA 5300000 107723 65
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 27 Stnd UFA 6000000 108710 65
Bonino, Nick 32 Stnd UFA 4100000 105769 65
Niederreiter, Nino 28 Stnd UFA 5250000 105451 65

So yes he may be a little overpaid, but he is just 23 and still improving year over year

So the next time you see someone on this site flaming Marner as if his contract is a burden, keep these stats in mind.

For those that'll say it's not all about points, Marner is one of the most effective penalty killers in the league and is always put out in the dying minutes of games to protect leads.
Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:19 a.m.
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And in the playoffs?
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Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:20 a.m.
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trade marner. last time i checked the shanaplan cares more about winning a playoff series than ppg
Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:35 a.m.
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TML Rundown by the NUMBERS:

12 UFAs.
1 RFA.
2021 - It's an Expansion Year (more asset(s) have to go).
14 NHLers under Contract (23 makes an NHL roster).
49.7% of CAP anchored in only 4-Players; all forwards.
3-yrs & AM UFA.
4-yrs & MM UFA.
4-yrs & JT UFA.
1st Rd. of Draft - No picks and only 1 in the first >100 selections.

Lastly:
* US$1.2M will still be paid this annum to none other than PHIL KESSEL.

A Diss-organization @ it's finest
Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:45 a.m.
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Edited Jun. 9, 2021 at 8:10 p.m.
Quoting: Bieksa_for_coachs_corner
trade marner. last time i checked the shanaplan cares more about winning a playoff series than ppg


sure, I'm not completely against the idea of trading him, but I think we should give him and the core one more chance to figure it out. Before this year's playoffs can we confidently say we actually iced a playoff ready team? All the teams that met Boston or Washington had awful defense and inconsistent goaltending, and then this year and last we had horrible injury luck

Im as frustrated as everyone else, but we should give the core at least one more chance
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Jun. 9, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
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And in the playoffs?


If he's so bad in the playoffs why would any team want him? Cause if nobody wants him cause his playoff stats are so bad then the Leafs most certainly won't win a trade to get rid of him.
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Jun. 9, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
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If he's so bad in the playoffs why would any team want him? Cause if nobody wants him cause his playoff stats are so bad then the Leafs most certainly won't win a trade to get rid of him.


I agree, the leafs won’t win a trade for marner.

Unfortunately for the leafs, that shouldn’t be their primary goal. With the other cap commitments that they have, they have limited options to improve their team.
Jun. 9, 2021 at 8:22 p.m.
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Despite his bad playoff performances people forget

Marner is only 24 years old

is improving on a yearly basis

is one of the best wings currently in the NHL

and is a solid 2-way player

Not every player is a playoff performer he will figure it out.
Jun. 9, 2021 at 8:26 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
TML Rundown by the NUMBERS:

12 UFAs.
1 RFA.
2021 - It's an Expansion Year (more asset(s) have to go).
14 NHLers under Contract (23 makes an NHL roster).
49.7% of CAP anchored in only 4-Players; all forwards.
3-yrs & AM UFA.
4-yrs & MM UFA.
4-yrs & JT UFA.
1st Rd. of Draft - No picks and only 1 in the first >100 selections.

Lastly:
* US$1.2M will still be paid this annum to none other than PHIL KESSEL.

A Diss-organization @ it's finest


who cares that they dont got picks, this is a bad misconception amongst people as when your team is a playoff team picks are irrelevant. You are in win now mode rather than wait and see mode.

Competitive teams dont need prospects as they already got the guys they need. Look at Tampa traded 3 1sts in 2 years.

Dubas has already set this team up for the future with guys like Niemela, Amirov, among others.

you want A Diss-organization look at the Canucks. As long as Benning is their Gm any hope of getting better aint happening.

Leafs are one of the few teams making money and while being competitive still have a solid prospect pool and drafting system and are set for the foreseeable future.
Jun. 9, 2021 at 8:55 p.m.
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who cares that they dont got picks, this is a bad misconception amongst people as when your team is a playoff team picks are irrelevant. You are in win now mode rather than wait and see mode.

Competitive teams dont need prospects as they already got the guys they need. Look at Tampa traded 3 1sts in 2 years.

Dubas has already set this team up for the future with guys like Niemela, Amirov, among others.

you want A Diss-organization look at the Canucks. As long as Benning is their Gm any hope of getting better aint happening.

Leafs are one of the few teams making money and while being competitive still have a solid prospect pool and drafting system and are set for the foreseeable future.


Competitive? in reg season against N-clubs only

Citing other successful clubs and how they do it/have done it is not TML. TBL was knocked out 2-yrs ago yes - but they were consensus #1 for Stanley, Only place TML were consensus #1 was inside their own area code.

Don't deflect and bring up the Canucks - everyone knows they suck....

Leafs make money because fans are sheep - sheep get slaughtered.

I think your rose-coloured glasses are all fogged up AD...
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 2:38 a.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
And in the playoffs?


Okay.. I get the whole playoffs thing but people need to realize that there's plenty of teams that haven't been making the playoffs and some were even dumpster fires during the regular season.

Just cause a player struggled in the playoffs doesn't make him completely useless for the entire rest of the league.
Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:21 a.m.
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Okay.. I get the whole playoffs thing but people need to realize that there's plenty of teams that haven't been making the playoffs and some were even dumpster fires during the regular season.

Just cause a player struggled in the playoffs doesn't make him completely useless for the entire rest of the league.


When you make 11 million dollars, you just can’t disappear in the playoffs. That’s such a big percentage of the cap. I’m not complaining about a guy getting his money, it’s just that the way you have to structure a team if you have 13.5% of your cap space throwing up a stinker, you’re in a bad spot.
Jun. 11, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
When you make 11 million dollars, you just can’t disappear in the playoffs. That’s such a big percentage of the cap. I’m not complaining about a guy getting his money, it’s just that the way you have to structure a team if you have 13.5% of your cap space throwing up a stinker, you’re in a bad spot.


He is 24 years old only getting better every year.
He will figure out a way to make an impact in the playoffs.

Any Marner trade would scream panic move.
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Jun. 11, 2021 at 12:58 p.m.
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Okay.. I get the whole playoffs thing but people need to realize that there's plenty of teams that haven't been making the playoffs and some were even dumpster fires during the regular season.

Just cause a player struggled in the playoffs doesn't make him completely useless for the entire rest of the league.


I agree with this, but there’s a big big difference between guys that make 6 million, and struggle in the playoffs, and guys that make 11. When a guy is making that high a percentage of the cap, and doesn’t perform, the team is basically screwed. I think that’s a good argument for not having a bunch of guys making 11 million.
Jun. 11, 2021 at 1:35 p.m.
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https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/marnemi01.html


Marners game in the playoffs hasn't been horrible in his carear, the last 2 years havn't been working for him, I would blame Keefe before trading Marner.
Jun. 11, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
I agree with this, but there’s a big big difference between guys that make 6 million, and struggle in the playoffs, and guys that make 11. When a guy is making that high a percentage of the cap, and doesn’t perform, the team is basically screwed. I think that’s a good argument for not having a bunch of guys making 11 million.


While I agree with your point, I was commenting about the desire to want Marner and the cap hit should be the end all, be all of every conversation because like I said, there's plenty of teams that didn't make the playoffs, some were even dumpster fires.

Gotta worry about a player's playoffs performances once you start making it to them. Can't worry about a guy's playoffs record if the team can't even have a decent regular season.
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