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Trying to fix the mess

Created by: Foppa213
Initial Creation Date: Jun 10, 2021
Published: Jun 10 at 4:49
Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Team Explanation
#7 Mason McTavish (C)
#2x Simon Robertsson (RW)
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Dahlén, Jonathan3$925,000
Coe, Brandon3$850,000
Bordeleau, Thomas3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Balcers, Rūdolfs1$950,000
Blichfeld, Joachim1$950,000
Gregor, Noah1$950,000
Jaros, Christian1$950,000
True, Alex1$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hyman, Zach5$5,000,000
Coleman, Blake3$4,000,000
Bogosian, Zach2$1,500,000
Ullmark, Linus5$5,000,000
Reimer, James2$2,500,000
Haula, Erik2$3,000,000
Trades
SJS
  1. Fast, Jesper
CAR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (SJS)
SJS
  1. 2021 1st round pick (NYI)
NJD
  1. Meier, Timo
  2. Gambrell, Dylan [RFA Rights]
SJS
    SEA
    1. Burns, Brent
    2. Donato, Ryan [RFA Rights]
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (SJS)
    Buyouts
    • Martin Jones: $1,916,667
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    SJS
    NYI
    SJS
    TOR
    SJS
    COL
    SJS
    SJS
    2022
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    BUF
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    SJS
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$79,810,834$0$832,500$1,689,166
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    SJS
    Kane, Evander
    $7,000,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    SJS
    Hertl, Tomas
    $5,625,000
    C, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    SJS
    Barabanov, Alexander
    $1,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Coleman, Blake
    $4,000,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    SJS
    Couture, Logan
    $8,000,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    Hyman, Zach
    $5,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    SJS
    Dahlén, Jonathan
    $925,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Haula, Erik
    $3,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    SJS
    Labanc, Kevin
    $4,725,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    SJS
    Leonard, John
    $925,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    SJS
    Chmelevski, Alexander
    $778,333
    C
    RFA - 1
    CAR
    Fast, Jesper
    $2,000,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    SJS
    Ferraro, Mario
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    SJS
    Karlsson, Erik
    $11,500,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Ullmark, Linus
    $5,000,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    SJS
    Simek, Radim
    $2,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    SJS
    Knyzhov, Nikolai
    $796,667
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Reimer, James
    $2,500,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    SJS
    Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
    $7,000,000
    LD/RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,500,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    SJS
    Wiesblatt, Ozzy
    $866,667
    RW
    RFA - 3
    SJS
    Balcers, Rūdolfs
    $950,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
    SJS
    Chekhovich, Ivan
    $776,667
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    SJS
    Hatakka, Santeri
    $850,833
    LD
    RFA - 3

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    Jun 10 at 6:33
    #1
    Go Sharks
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    Way too little for a potential 1st line forward who fits in most team’s top 6 and a 4th line center who has potential to being a 3rd liner.
    Jun 10 at 7:01
    #2
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    Devils decline.
    They'll have better options with their pick.
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    Jun 10 at 7:40
    #3
    Thread Starter
    Foppa213
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    Quoting: JacobLyons
    Way too little for a potential 1st line forward who fits in most team’s top 6 and a 4th line center who has potential to being a 3rd liner.


    I agree with you to be honest but wanted to hear some input on that trade. See now that some Devils fan actually declined that trade... I dont know...
    Jun 10 at 7:42
    #4
    i talk too much
    Joined: Feb 2019
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    You think that the Sharks, who got a late 1st round pick for Barclay Goodrow last year would accept a late 1st round pick for Timo Meier, much less for Timo AND another player?

    Yeah, no.
    Jun 10 at 7:44
    #5
    i talk too much
    Joined: Feb 2019
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    Quoting: Foppa213
    I agree with you to be honest but wanted to hear some input on that trade. See now that some Devils fan actually declined that trade... I dont know...


    I'd like very much to hear what player that Devs fan thinks they're going to draft in a shallow, weird as hell, incredibly hard to scout year, with the 29th overall pick, who's going to be better than Meier.
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    Jun 10 at 8:02
    #6
    Jack Hughes is Elite
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    Quoting: bunnymcfoo
    I'd like very much to hear what player that Devs fan thinks they're going to draft in a shallow, weird as hell, incredibly hard to scout year, with the 29th overall pick, who's going to be better than Meier.


    Where would Meier fit in the lineup? He did statically worse than almost every winger in the Devils top 6. And with Foote, Holtz, and maybe Mercer coming into the lineup next year, there's no room for Meier. Rather draft a defensemen or use the pick to trade for a defenseman
    Jun 10 at 8:15
    #7
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Where would Meier fit in the lineup? He did statically worse than almost every winger in the Devils top 6. And with Foote, Holtz, and maybe Mercer coming into the lineup next year, there's no room for Meier. Rather draft a defensemen or use the pick to trade for a defenseman


    I disagree. There is room for him right next to Nico. A common theme amongst devils fans is “ oh, we have holtz, Mercer, Foote, Clarke, etc.” We need some guys who have NHL experience. Can’t all be super young
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    Jun 10 at 8:22
    #8
    Jack Hughes is Elite
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    I disagree. There is room for him right next to Nico. A common theme amongst devils fans is “ oh, we have holtz, Mercer, Foote, Clarke, etc.” We need some guys who have NHL experience. Can’t all be super young


    You mean replacing Zacha or Bratt, who both did better than Meier last year?
    Jun 10 at 8:28
    #9
    Joined: May 2016
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    You mean replacing Zacha or Bratt, who both did better than Meier last year?


    Zacha might be the one you pkg for a D man
    His #s were good but mostly against bad teams. I think there is a big move coming myself.
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    Jun 10 at 8:31
    #10
    Jack Hughes is Elite
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    Quoting: Smitty426
    Zacha might be the one you pkg for a D man
    His #s were good but mostly against bad teams. I think there is a big move coming myself.


    I rather trade the Islanders first in a package for a defensemen
    That second line of Bratt Nico and Zacha was amazing when fully healthy. All of them are best friends off the ice too so I doubt Fitz trades Zacha
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    Jun 10 at 8:32
    #11
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    Quoting: Smitty426
    Zacha might be the one you pkg for a D man
    His #s were good but mostly against bad teams. I think there is a big move coming myself.


    Zacha- Hischier- Meier
    Bratt can play on third line with Holtz with Boqvist or Kuokkanen at center
    Jun 10 at 8:57
    #12
    Joined: Jun 2020
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    What would the cost be for the Canes to get Meier?
    Jun 10 at 9:00
    #13
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    I disagree. There is room for him right next to Nico. A common theme amongst devils fans is “ oh, we have holtz, Mercer, Foote, Clarke, etc.” We need some guys who have NHL experience. Can’t all be super young


    There are plenty of worthwhile vets that won't cost $26 million over next three years.
    Even Jake Voracek, who has produced more, will make less. And Flyers are trying to dump him.
    Jun 10 at 9:13
    #14
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    Quoting: bunnymcfoo
    I'd like very much to hear what player that Devs fan thinks they're going to draft in a shallow, weird as hell, incredibly hard to scout year, with the 29th overall pick, who's going to be better than Meier.

    Almost all players have played. Not hard to scout. Some potential steals in the late first. Devils might rather take a whack at a sure steal like Pastujov (unless he gets taken early) or a potential steal like Morrow or anyone who falls to the Isles pick. Draft being "chaotic" and "hard to scout" is incredibly overblown.
    Jun 10 at 9:15
    #15
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    Quoting: Smitty426
    Zacha might be the one you pkg for a D man
    His #s were good but mostly against bad teams. I think there is a big move coming myself.


    Zacha, in games with Nico (Wing): 17 pts in 16 gp
    Zacha, in games without Nico (Center): 18 pts in 34 gp

    Lets give him a year playing full-time on Nico's wing before we move him
    Jun 10 at 9:21
    #16
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    Zacha- Hischier- Meier
    Bratt can play on third line with Holtz with Boqvist or Kuokkanen at center


    I get the Hischier - Meier Swiss connection...they looked great at the Worlds.
    But same happened two years ago with Kevin Fiala. And everyone wanted to pay give up the farm for Fiala.

    Hischier has a very positive effect on his linemates' production.
    With his return...and some better puck retrieval and zone exit by dman...our existing wings will do fine.
    Jun 10 at 9:26
    #17
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I get the Hischier - Meier Swiss connection...they looked great at the Worlds.
    But same happened two years ago with Kevin Fiala. And everyone wanted to pay give up the farm for Fiala.

    Hischier has a very positive effect on his linemates' production.
    With his return...and some better puck retrieval and zone exit by dman...our existing wings will do fine.


    Actually, u mentioning Fiala proves my point even further. If we could go back two to three years ago, I think we would give up some picks and prospects to get Fiala. Kids a stud
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    Jun 10 at 9:27
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    Quoting: yxzyzzyx
    Almost all players have played. Not hard to scout. Some potential steals in the late first. Devils might rather take a whack at a sure steal like Pastujov (unless he gets taken early) or a potential steal like Morrow or anyone who falls to the Isles pick. Draft being "chaotic" and "hard to scout" is incredibly overblown.


    1st round / 2nd round are not much different that previous years. Maybe a little misalignment.
    But the 5th, 6th, 7th rounds are where it is going to be hard.

    I think the biggest steals will happen with (a) some of the foreign players that were slated to play CHL this year and (b) US High School players (including Prep) in leagues that didn't play. This was supposed to be a good crop for both groups - yet we are not seeing many of these guys in top-50, top-100 lists.
    Jun 10 at 10:08
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    Quoting: jrdroge25
    Actually, u mentioning Fiala proves my point even further. If we could go back two to three years ago, I think we would give up some picks and prospects to get Fiala. Kids a stud


    Would you have given up Bratt + 2020 1st (Holtz) / this is years #4 pick for Fiala?
    That was the price then.
    Jun 10 at 10:43
    #20
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Zacha, in games with Nico (Wing): 17 pts in 16 gp
    Zacha, in games without Nico (Center): 18 pts in 34 gp

    Lets give him a year playing full-time on Nico's wing before we move him


    Sure I'll go along with that
    But if the chemistry is not there early move him
     
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