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Rielly if Tor signs Hamilton

Created by: Eli
Team: 2021-22 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 10, 2021
Published: Jun. 10, 2021
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About four Tor fans have signed Hamilton and dumped Rielly to WSH.

Trying to figure out if there's a way that can work.

Obviously if the Leafs don't sign one of the two good offensive RHD on the UFA market, they don't trade Rielly. And if they have already signed one, then Rielly's NTC and the flat cap might lower the return they get for him.

These probably aren't the defensive pairings when they have a lead or even when the score is tied, but if they really need a goal, this could be fun.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$10,000,000
1$750,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Hagelin, Carl
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (WSH)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
2.
WSH
SEA
  1. Schultz, Justin
  2. 2021 6th round pick (WSH)
3.
WSH
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Samsonov, Ilya [RFA Rights]
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2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$70,147,927$472,927$0$11,352,073

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$9,200,000$9,200,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
LW
UFA - 5
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LW, C
RFA - 3
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$2,415,000$2,415,000
C
UFA - 2
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$5,166,667$5,166,667
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$725,000$725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
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UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$716,667$716,667
G
UFA - 1
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:33 p.m.
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it certainly wouldnt lower the cost of Rielly to that
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10 mil is too much.
Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:36 p.m.
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I don’t think there’s even a chance hamilton goes to toronto.
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:36 p.m.
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10 mil is too much.

Signing ovechkin isn’t just a hockey move, it’s a business move. 10 is the absolute minimum he should get.
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:45 p.m.
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Signing ovechkin isn’t just a hockey move, it’s a business move. 10 is the absolute minimum he should get.


But for 4 years?
Jun. 10, 2021 at 9:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Tntpod
But for 4 years?


Uhhhh ya. They’re buying the Gretzky goal record chase. They literally can’t give him more money than he’s worth. If he said, “give me 60 million/4 years or I’m going to Russia,” the GM will want to throw up, but the owner would demand the caps offer it.
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:07 p.m.
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Uhhhh ya. They’re buying the Gretzky goal record chase. They literally can’t give him more money than he’s worth. If he said, “give me 60 million/4 years or I’m going to Russia,” the GM will want to throw up, but the owner would demand the caps offer it.


Funny. That's the logic that got me to 10x4. smile

I really have no idea how their ratings translate into revenues, but he's only got five more guys to pass for the goals title. If they play a full 82 games each year, and he stays mostly healthy, he can get 163 goals in four years. If not it might take longer. As a Caps fan I'd be open to discussing a longer term, lower cap hit deal that's front loaded, with the understanding that once he has the title, he might retire and the team might face 6 or 7M of 35+ penalties for a year or two. As a Bruins fan, I bet you'd be okay with that, too. smile
Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:18 p.m.
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If you actually gave something of value then there is a 1% chance he gets moved. McMichael is a good starting point, especially if the idea is Rielly resigning with Washington
Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:21 p.m.
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Funny. That's the logic that got me to 10x4. smile

I really have no idea how their ratings translate into revenues, but he's only got five more guys to pass for the goals title. If they play a full 82 games each year, and he stays mostly healthy, he can get 163 goals in four years. If not it might take longer. As a Caps fan I'd be open to discussing a longer term, lower cap hit deal that's front loaded, with the understanding that once he has the title, he might retire and the team might face 6 or 7M of 35+ penalties for a year or two. As a Bruins fan, I bet you'd be okay with that, too. smile


If I’m ovechkin, I’m being a bit of a prick about this. Financially speaking, he’s probably legit worth 25 million a year to them. I don’t think its unreasonable for him to say, “alright, I’m the best goal scorer in league history, give me 12x4 as a thank you.”
Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:34 p.m.
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If you actually gave something of value then there is a 1% chance he gets moved. McMichael is a good starting point, especially if the idea is Rielly resigning with Washington


WSH isn't trading McMichael. Chances of extending Rielly depend mostly on his asking price and WSH's future cap flexibility. If WSH want Rielly, maybe they offer Fehervary, but this thread is about if the Leafs have to dump Rielly quickly after they sign Hamilton, and no other team that isn't blocked by his M-NTC wants him. I built it just to see if WSH could keep a competitive forward group together, under the cap. Turns out they can, although losing Hagelin hurts their PK a lot.
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If you actually gave something of value then there is a 1% chance he gets moved. McMichael is a good starting point, especially if the idea is Rielly resigning with Washington


Okay this comment is just dumb. You’re right that this offer isn’t much value, but McMichael is not getting traded for Rielly.
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:36 p.m.
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If I’m ovechkin, I’m being a bit of a prick about this. Financially speaking, he’s probably legit worth 25 million a year to them. I don’t think its unreasonable for him to say, “alright, I’m the best goal scorer in league history, give me 12x4 as a thank you.”


While we're on the subject, the only other former MVP heading to UFA is Hall. What do you think? 7x8.5? 7x9? Or take the cap space opened up when Krejci tests free agency and give the MVP a full eight figures?
Jun. 10, 2021 at 10:54 p.m.
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While we're on the subject, the only other former MVP heading to UFA is Hall. What do you think? 7x8.5? 7x9? Or take the cap space opened up when Krejci tests free agency and give the MVP a full eight figures?


Noooooo. Nowhere close to that. He just hasn’t played that well since moving to arizona. I would guess the absolute max a team would pay him is 7. I think boston offers five years 30 million, take it or leave it.

Also don’t think there’s really a chance of krejci testing free agency.
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Noooooo. Nowhere close to that. He just hasn’t played that well since moving to arizona. I would guess the absolute max a team would pay him is 7. I think boston offers five years 30 million, take it or leave it.

Also don’t think there’s really a chance of krejci testing free agency.


He had that point a game streak with Buffalo, and he played a crucial role in eliminating the Capitals. 6Mx5? Nah. He's gone.

Plus once Danault signs for Hayes money, Krejci is going to be the best two-way center on the market. He'll get over 5M per, easily. Is he still worth that to a team that already pays more to its 3C? Or will management decide that rushing a youth movement on defense went so well it's time to try the same thing up front?

Should be a fun summer.
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He had that point a game streak with Buffalo, and he played a crucial role in eliminating the Capitals. 6Mx5? Nah. He's gone.

Plus once Danault signs for Hayes money, Krejci is going to be the best two-way center on the market. He'll get over 5M per, easily. Is he still worth that to a team that already pays more to its 3C? Or will management decide that rushing a youth movement on defense went so well it's time to try the same thing up front?

Should be a fun summer.


I kind of think it’s somewhat inevitable that hall signs a below market deal in boston. Just seems like he’s always wanted to be there. I think 6.5-7 is the absolute max he’ll get on the open market.
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Okay this comment is just dumb. You’re right that this offer isn’t much value, but McMichael is not getting traded for Rielly.


For an extended #1 D man? Absolutely could cost a teams best prospect.
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Jun. 10, 2021 at 11:24 p.m.
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For an extended #1 D man? Absolutely could cost a teams best prospect.


You’re calling Rielly a number 1 D man? He wouldn’t be the best left handed defenseman on our team. If you handcuff yourself into having to trade away your expiring UFA defenseman, you’re not getting a prospect like McMichael. Zero chance. I’d rather go pickup a guy like Mike Reilly in UFA or Tyson Barrie and give up 0 assets.
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For an extended #1 D man? Absolutely could cost a teams best prospect.


You're the only one talking about an extension for Rielly here. Sign and trades don't happen in the NHL. They happen in the NBA, sure. Not in the NHL. Different rules. Since 99% of guys in their last year before UFA are traded without an extension in place, it is not realistic to consider a scenario where the Caps even get to discuss an extension with Rielly before trading for him, let alone one where that changes his trade value. But I also can't imagine Fehervary or Alexeyev are playing two more years in the minors.

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I kind of think it’s somewhat inevitable that hall signs a below market deal in boston. Just seems like he’s always wanted to be there. I think 6.5-7 is the absolute max he’ll get on the open market.


There are fans on this board offering him around 6*8. Just like there were last year. It really comes down to how teams project the cap. With the pandemic slowing down, he might get some offers.
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Quoting: Eli
You're the only one talking about an extension for Rielly here. Sign and trades don't happen in the NHL. They happen in the NBA, sure. Not in the NHL. Different rules. Since 99% of guys in their last year before UFA are traded without an extension in place, it is not realistic to consider a scenario where the Caps even get to discuss an extension with Rielly before trading for him, let alone one where that changes his trade value. But I also can't imagine Fehervary or Alexeyev are playing two more years in the minors.



There are fans on this board offering him around 6*8. Just like there were last year. It really comes down to how teams project the cap. With the pandemic slowing down, he might get some offers.


I think those fans are stupid.
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Quoting: Eli
You're the only one talking about an extension for Rielly here. Sign and trades don't happen in the NHL. They happen in the NBA, sure. Not in the NHL. Different rules. Since 99% of guys in their last year before UFA are traded without an extension in place, it is not realistic to consider a scenario where the Caps even get to discuss an extension with Rielly before trading for him, let alone one where that changes his trade value. But I also can't imagine Fehervary or Alexeyev are playing two more years in the minors.



There are fans on this board offering him around 6*8. Just like there were last year. It really comes down to how teams project the cap. With the pandemic slowing down, he might get some offers.


His comments today on trying to stay in boston: “I’m not trying to maximize my value. I see a fit here and hopefully they feel the same.”
 
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