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Created by: Ragsandbluesfan
Initial Creation Date: Jun 11, 2021
Published: Jun 11 at 4:22
Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Makar, Cale8$9,000,000
Jost, Tyson2$2,000,000
Timmins, Conor1$874,125
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Grubauer, Philipp6$5,500,000
Landeskog, Gabriel7$8,000,000
Trades
COL
    SEA
    1. Compher, J.T.
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    COL
    COL
    COL
    2022
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    2023
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    COL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    21$81,500,000$77,773,088$1,741,463$4,200,000$3,726,912
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    COL
    Landeskog, Gabriel
    $8,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA
    COL
    MacKinnon, Nathan
    $6,300,000
    C, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Donskoi, Joonas
    $3,900,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Burakovsky, André
    $4,900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Kadri, Nazem
    $4,500,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Rantanen, Mikko
    $9,250,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    COL
    Nichushkin, Valeri
    $2,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Jost, Tyson
    $2,000,000
    C, LW, RW
    RFA
    COL
    Kaut, Martin
    $863,333
    RW
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Ranta, Sampo
    $925,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Newhook, Alex
    $908,333
    C
    RFA - 2
    COL
    O'Connor, Logan
    $725,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    COL
    Toews, Devon
    $4,100,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    COL
    Girard, Samuel
    $5,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 6
    COL
    Grubauer, Philipp
    $5,500,000
    G
    UFA
    COL
    Graves, Ryan
    $3,166,667
    LD
    UFA - 2
    COL
    Makar, Cale
    $9,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
    COL
    Francouz, Pavel
    $2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Byram, Bowen
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 2
    COL
    Timmins, Conor
    $874,125
    RD
    RFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    COL
    MacDonald, Jacob
    $725,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    COL
    Johnson, Erik
    $6,000,000
    RD
    NMC NTC
    UFA - 2

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    Jun 11 at 4:32
    #1
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    So Seattle just takes a pass on Toews and Graves....for JT Compher?
    Jun 11 at 4:33
    #2
    Dach is Elite
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    So Seattle just takes a pass on Toews and Graves....for JT Compher?


    Devon Toews will 100% be protected
    Jun 11 at 4:35
    #3
    Drumman44
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    I'm out of the loop. Is Erik Johnson really going to be out that long??
    Jun 11 at 4:42
    #4
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    Devon Toews will 100% be protected


    I would think so.
    But I don't think reality has set in with some fans.
    Avs are losing a d-man one way or another.

    I just haven't see a realistic scenario where Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Johnson all return...if they are not doing 3-5-1 protection and they are not doing expansion trades.
    Jun 11 at 4:54
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    Quoting: DrumMan44
    I'm out of the loop. Is Erik Johnson really going to be out that long??


    probably not.
    Jun 11 at 4:56
    #6
    Dach is Elite
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I would think so.
    But I don't think reality has set in with some fans.
    Avs are losing a d-man one way or another.

    I just haven't see a realistic scenario where Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Johnson all return...if they are not doing 3-5-1 protection and they are not doing expansion trades.


    True last expansion draft they were lucky that they were such an abysmal team but this year is different
    Jun 11 at 7:20
    #7
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    Ragsandbluesfan
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    So Seattle just takes a pass on Toews and Graves....for JT Compher?


    Toews is being protected and there are tons of Dmen available so im assuming they take the best available forward from most teams, hence Compher over Graves who had a down year after his only good one which looks suspect
    Jun 11 at 7:24
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    Quoting: DirtyDangle
    probably not.


    Im assuming to start the season at least
    Jun 11 at 7:28
    #9
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    Ragsandbluesfan
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I would think so.
    But I don't think reality has set in with some fans.
    Avs are losing a d-man one way or another.

    I just haven't see a realistic scenario where Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Johnson all return...if they are not doing 3-5-1 protection and they are not doing expansion trades.


    They should be just fine going 7-3-1
    Jun 11 at 8:06
    #10
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    Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
    They should be just fine going 7-3-1


    If the 3 are Johnson (NMC), Makar, Girard, that leaves Toews and Graves unprotected.
    Jun 11 at 8:08
    #11
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    I would think so.
    But I don't think reality has set in with some fans.
    Avs are losing a d-man one way or another.

    I just haven't see a realistic scenario where Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Johnson all return...if they are not doing 3-5-1 protection and they are not doing expansion trades.

    I think the vast VAST majority of Avs fan expect to lose Graves in the XD.
    Jun 11 at 8:12
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    Ranta needs to play in the AHL and the Avs have Kaut and Bowers who are closer, I was truly puzzled by the decision to play Ranta in the playoffs. I think Saad is more than a passing priority I think they would move Compher AND Donskoi if they had to to bring him back.
    Jun 11 at 8:21
    #13
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    Ragsandbluesfan
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    If the 3 are Johnson (NMC), Makar, Girard, that leaves Toews and Graves unprotected.


    Johnson will most likely waive considering no one is touching his contract
    Jun 11 at 8:22
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Ranta needs to play in the AHL and the Avs have Kaut and Bowers who are closer, I was truly puzzled by the decision to play Ranta in the playoffs. I think Saad is more than a passing priority I think they would move Compher AND Donskoi if they had to to bring him back.


    Would they really do that?
    Jun 11 at 8:23
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    I think the vast VAST majority of Avs fan expect to lose Graves in the XD.


    Yes, no doubt.
    But some of the vocal ones still think Seattle will think SEA takes Compher, while Avs keep the defense they have now.
    Realistic options, from most likely to least likely...

    1. EJ bought out, SEA takes Graves
    2. Avs work trade so SEA takes Graves over Toews
    3. SEA takes Toews
    4. SEA takes Compher over Toews or Graves

    Either way, Avs are likely to lose a d-man
    Jun 11 at 8:31
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    Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
    Johnson will most likely waive considering no one is touching his contract


    This is not it works.
    He has to amend his contract to eliminate the no movement clause before exemption lists are set, which are done before protection lists are set.

    Here is a glimpse of the timeline

    Jul 12: Deadline for teams to ask players to waive NMC
    Jul 16: Deadline for players to waive NMC
    Jul 17: Teams protection lists submitted to league
    Jul 17-21: Roster freeze in effect (no moves, no trades)
    Jul 18: Protection lists made public

    Last time around, many players were asked to waive. Pretty much all of them declined.
    MAF waived knowing he would be selected. And Toby Enstrom was the lone "do it for the team" guy.
    Jun 11 at 9:55
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    Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
    Would they really do that?


    I mean this is entirely my opinion but Saad IS what they HOPED Compher would become. Saad was arguably one of the 3 best forwards for the Avs in the playoffs. His versatility, grit, and talent allowed Bednar to blender lines once Kadri was suspended. He was great not just with MacKinnon and Rantanen, but he was really good with Jost and Nichushkin too. Don’t get me wrong Donskoi when he is hot is incredible, but when he is not he is definitely not. Compher gets killed on here, but even having the worst year of his career he had what would be a 30pt full season but he like Donskoi is not a play driver. Saad just brings a higher consistent skill level than those 2. It will be interesting to see what they do.
    Jun 11 at 10:11
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Yes, no doubt.
    But some of the vocal ones still think Seattle will think SEA takes Compher, while Avs keep the defense they have now.
    Realistic options, from most likely to least likely...

    1. EJ bought out, SEA takes Graves
    2. Avs work trade so SEA takes Graves over Toews
    3. SEA takes Toews
    4. SEA takes Compher over Toews or Graves

    Either way, Avs are likely to lose a d-man


    There is zero chance Toews gets exposed. From a logical point of view why wouldn’t EJ waive? Seattle isn’t going to take him, he’s played 4 games in the last calendar year, makes $6M and is 33 yrs old. What some Avs don’t want to acknowledge is that a buy out of EJ is potentially problematic because that’s dead money for 4 years which in that time frame they have to re-sign MacKinnon, Byram, Newhook, and even potentially Makar. That’s why I think Graves is the pick. He’s young, has term on his reasonable contract and can play in the top 4. I suppose it is possible Seattle would take Compher or Donskoi depending on who is available I just don’t think so.
    Jun 11 at 10:30
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    There is zero chance Toews gets exposed. From a logical point of view why wouldn’t EJ waive? Seattle isn’t going to take him, he’s played 4 games in the last calendar year, makes $6M and is 33 yrs old. What some Avs don’t want to acknowledge is that a buy out of EJ is potentially problematic because that’s dead money for 4 years which in that time frame they have to re-sign MacKinnon, Byram, Newhook, and even potentially Makar. That’s why I think Graves is the pick. He’s young, has term on his reasonable contract and can play in the top 4. I suppose it is possible Seattle would take Compher or Donskoi depending on who is available I just don’t think so.


    Why would he leave millions of dollars on the table? To see teammate X taken over teammate Y? This is their livelihood. They are not fans. Would make zero sense.
    Jun 11 at 10:35
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Why would he leave millions of dollars on the table? To see teammate X taken over teammate Y? This is their livelihood. They are not fans. Would make zero sense.

    Who is leaving millions on the table?
     
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