Edited Jun. 12, 2021 at 7:03 p.m.
Quoting: TrueCanuck
Idk where you're getting this narrative that draft positions matter? I never said that. In fact I was quite clear saying that draft positions aside, you think McMichael is worth Lafreniere. He's not. All I mentioned was that Lafreniere was talked about going 1st overall since he was 15 for a reason. & that reason is because he was very clearly 3 steps ahead of his opponents at every level he's been at, even when he's an underager. & you're also the one that said the whole debate was justified because McMichael "scored about the same as Lafreniere in the same league." Which actually isn't true. At the paces that both players were at in the years you mentioned, if both play their full seasons of 68 games, Lafreniere outscores McMicheal by 12 points. So you're saying 12 points is close? Hey if you lose a game 12-0 that's okay then right? Cause it was a close game?
I never said McMichael was bad. I said he wasn't worth Lafreniere. Go find 1 credible hockey person that agrees with you on that. I'll be shocked if you do. You won't.
The only thing you've been right on (which I never disagreed with) is that draft position doesn't matter after you've been drafted. There's been good players go undrafted and there's been bad players go #1 overall. But points aside, McMichael is worth no where close to Lafreniere straight up. You also never took into account the fact that McMichael played on a far superior London team than Lafreniere's Rimouski team. Having better teammates helps you produce more points as well. Lafreniere has intangibles that McMichael doesn't and Lafreniere's ceiling is similar to the likes of Crosby, Eichel, etc. McMichael's is nowhere close to those players. McMichael will likely end up being a high valued 2nd line centre. A low chance at an elite one, but Lafreniere's floor potential is at the height of McMichael's. There's a good reason why Lafrienere played regular NHL minutes all season long as a teenager and McMichael didn't.
I'm honestly done with this debate with you. It's utterly pointless at this point if you still think McMichael is even in the same conversation as Lafreniere. Honestly, you've been nothing but bias and not proved anything. It was more of a waste of time for both of us.
Cheers.
If you're into points/game, here's a calculator that estimates McMichael's AHL performance this year translates to a 33 point NHL season. https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_nhle.php
Lafreniere's NHL production this year extends to a 31 point NHL season. They will each be 20 when next season starts. Lafreniere is slightly younger so he does still have a higher ceiling. But you can't get either for Marner under a flat cap because (edited: Marner's cap hit is nearly eleven million dollars). Cheers.
edited: I would love to learn how to apply quality of teammates corrections across different leagues, and I'd love to drill down further into the data if the AHL kept track of stuff like quality of competition or minutes, but yes, I think this is enough to say they're both going to be among the top 20 year old forwards next season, and I maintain that the Capitals whose biggest expiring UFAs are Ovechkin, who's getting a raise, and Chara, who's already at the league minimum, don't have cap space for a one for one. But I still think if CBJ is all in Tor can pull off a one for one for Foudy, easily. I'm just not sure if CBJ is all in.
2nd edit: not sure if you saw the tag, but I built a Kakko for Marner trade and Rangers fans passed. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/462888?post_id=2413583 I don't have the time to dig up the comment thread where Rangers fans offered Kakko for McMichael, but google exists and you can try to repeat it if you want. Caps should pass on that, too, fwiw. They probably just keep McMichael, I think. Because decent players on ELCs are extremely valuable under a flat cap.