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What the Leafs should do if they are going to tank next season

Created by: sensonfire
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 13, 2021
Published: Jun. 13, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Hirvonen, Roni3$925,000
Niemelä, Topi3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis1$874,125
Juolevi, Olli1$832,500
Vehvilainen, Veini1$832,500
Petan, Nicolas1$800,000
Duszak, Joseph1$750,000
Woll, Joseph1$750,000
Malgin, Denis1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$1,500,000
Galchenyuk, Alex1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2022 5th round pick (CGY)
CGY
    Signing rights to Pending UFA Zach Hyman
    2.
    TOR
      Expansion Draft
      SEA
      1. Kerfoot, Alexander
      3.
      TOR
      1. Juolevi, Olli [RFA Rights]
      2. 2022 1st round pick (VAN)
      3. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
      Additional Details:
      There are no lottery protections on the 2022 1st round pick.



      The 2nd round pick is conditional.

      If the Canucks win the Stanley Cup in 2021/2022 or 2022/2023, the 2023 2nd round pick is upgraded to a 2023 1st round pick.
      VAN
      1. Rielly, Morgan
      Additional Details:
      The Jake Muzzin trade from January of 2019 as well as the Ryan McDonagh/JT Miller trade from February of 2018 are used as templates.

      Morgan Rielly is originally from Vancouver and his dad, Andy, is the longtime president of Rielly Lumber Inc on the west side.

      https://www.realcedar.com/about/members/rielly-lumber-inc/

      Rielly should have no issues signing an extension with the Canucks IMO.
      4.
      TOR
      1. Rodrigue, Olivier
      2. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
      EDM
      1. Campbell, Jack
      5.
      TOR
      1. 2022 4th round pick (STL)
      STL
      1. Mikheyev, Ilya
      6.
      TOR
        Based on this video by Steve Dangle, the Leafs forward group could be completely gutted this offseason.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJVbvOlnqSs&t=902s
        OTT
          We'll see what happens :D
          7.
          TOR
            For what I think the Leafs will look like next season if they don't tank ...
            OTT
              please see this previous post of mine.

              https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2458374
              Retained Salary Transactions
              • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
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              2022
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              20$81,500,000$66,636,408$0$532,500$14,863,592
              Left WingCenterRight Wing
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              Galchenyuk, Alex
              $1,500,000
              LW, C, RW
              UFA - 1
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              Matthews, Auston
              $11,640,250
              C
              UFA - 3
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              Marner, Mitchell
              $10,903,000
              RW
              UFA - 4
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              Robertson, Nicholas
              $796,667
              LW
              RFA - 3
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              Tavares, John
              $11,000,000
              C
              NMC
              UFA - 4
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              Nylander, William
              $6,962,366
              RW, LW
              UFA - 3
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              Engvall, Pierre
              $1,250,000
              LW, RW, C
              UFA - 1
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              Spezza, Jason
              $1,500,000
              C, RW
              UFA - 1
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              Petan, Nicolas
              $800,000
              C, LW, RW
              UFA - 1
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              Brooks, Adam
              $725,000
              C
              UFA - 1
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              Malgin, Denis
              $750,000
              LW, RW
              RFA
              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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              Muzzin, Jake
              $5,625,000
              LD
              NTC
              UFA - 3
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              Brodie, TJ
              $5,000,000
              LD/RD
              NTC
              UFA - 3
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              Hutchinson, Michael
              $725,000
              G
              UFA - 1
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              Sandin, Rasmus
              $894,167
              LD
              RFA - 1
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              Holl, Justin
              $2,000,000
              RD
              NTC
              UFA - 2
              Logo of the EDM
              Rodrigue, Olivier
              $795,000
              G
              RFA - 2
              Logo of the TOR
              Dermott, Travis
              $874,125
              LD/RD
              RFA - 2
              Logo of the TOR
              Liljegren, Timothy
              $863,333
              RD
              RFA - 1
              Juolevi, Olli
              $832,500
              LD
              RFA - 1

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              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:31 p.m.
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              Not sure I understand...how is this team going to tank? They have two top 5 scorers and two more high level forwards plus a solid D core. At worst they would miss the playoffs by a little bit and end up with a middle pick, and have wasted a year of Marner, Nylander, and Matthews' contracts and Tavares' age
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              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:37 p.m.
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              Are you dumb what kind of trade is that for Campbell the guy was litterally the best player in the Montreal series for the leafs ur stupid if you think the leafs are trading campbell.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:44 p.m.
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              Quoting: Austons_Math_Youths
              Not sure I understand...how is this team going to tank? They have two top 5 scorers and two more high level forwards plus a solid D core. At worst they would miss the playoffs by a little bit and end up with a middle pick, and have wasted a year of Marner, Nylander, and Matthews' contracts and Tavares' age


              Within the last decade or so, teams with that level of talent have tanked before.

              It happens more frequently than you think.

              Examples:

              Oilers with McDavid/Draisaitl for 3 seasons
              Hawks with Kane/Toews/Keith/Seabrook for 2 seasons
              Capitals with Ovechkin/Backstrom/Carlson in 2013/2014
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:49 p.m.
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              Edmonton declines imo. UFA goalies are deep
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:50 p.m.
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              No first from Vancouver.
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              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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              Quoting: Leafsfan16
              Are you dumb what kind of trade is that for Campbell the guy was litterally the best player in the Montreal series for the leafs ur stupid if you think the leafs are trading campbell.


              Campbell would get traded at next year's deadline if the Leafs tank and Campbell doesn't want to sign an extension.

              Trade is based on when Robin Lehner was traded from Chicago to Vegas with Toronto as the middle man.

              If the Leafs tank, Campbell being the best player during the playoffs against Montreal would be completely irrelevant next year.


              You're illiterate if you didn't bother reading the entire post and completely missed the point of it :/
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:52 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              Within the last decade or so, teams with that level of talent have tanked before.

              It happens more frequently than you think.

              Examples:

              Oilers with McDavid/Draisaitl for 3 seasons
              Hawks with Kane/Toews/Keith/Seabrook for 2 seasons
              Capitals with Ovechkin/Backstrom/Carlson in 2013/2014


              The oilers specifically didnt tank they were just bad
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              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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              If this team is going to tank, at the very least one of the core 4 would be traded, likely 2 or 3 (heck even all 4).

              This is a horrible idea, you are burn very valuable years off of Matthews and Marner's contracts. The worst part is this team might still make the playoffs and won't be in high contention for a top pick.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.
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              Quoting: Shibbal18
              Edmonton declines imo. UFA goalies are deep


              Trade is made at next year's deadline if the Leafs tank.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
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              Quoting: Saskleaf
              If this team is going to tank, at the very least one of the core 4 would be traded, likely 2 or 3 (heck even all 4).

              This is a horrible idea, you are burn very valuable years off of Matthews and Marner's contracts. The worst part is this team might still make the playoffs and won't be in high contention for a top pick.


              Regardless of what happens to the Leafs over the course of the next 3 years, Matthews, Marner and Nylander will still be with the Leafs until they become pending UFAs.

              Also, Tavares has a NMC and is from Toronto, so he's not going anywhere.


              As long as tickets are sold out, Matthews/Marner/Nylander jerseys are flying off the shelves and Rogers/Bell are turning a profit, the core isn't going anywhere.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:07 p.m.
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              Quoting: BubbleDemko
              No first from Vancouver.


              A first will come from a trade with another team then.

              Vancouver is just an illustrative example.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:12 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              Regardless of what happens to the Leafs over the course of the next 3 years, Matthews, Marner and Nylander will still be with the Leafs until they become pending UFAs.

              Also, Tavares has a NMC and is from Toronto, so he's not going anywhere.


              As long as tickets are sold out, Matthews/Marner/Nylander jerseys are flying off the shelves and Rogers/Bell are turning a profit, the core isn't going anywhere.


              Oh, I agree they aren't going anywhere.

              Which means they aren't rebuilding. Rebuilding means you trade your best players for futures. And retooling (aka a small rebuild where you keep the core intact, in other words what you have here) makes no sense for the leafs based on the age of their core players.
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              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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              Quoting: sensonfire
              A first will come from a trade with another team then.

              Vancouver is just an illustrative example.


              I am sure another team will give you a first. He is just not on Vancouver's immediate needs.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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              Toronto won't tank
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 4:57 p.m.
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              Why would Toronto tank? What??
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 5:22 p.m.
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              Why would Toronto tank? What??


              Within the last 10 years, there have been a few examples where a team had star players and they completely collapsed in the regular season.

              That's why.
              Jun. 13, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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              VAN just waits 1 year for Rielly to hit UFA and don't have to give up any assets for him.
               
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