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Small Tweak

Created by: robrob10
Initial Creation Date: Jun 18, 2021
Published: Jun 18 at 11:54
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
In this scenerio you just trade Dumba for Dubois to upgrade at C. Then sign KK EK and Fiala to extensions, plus Cole and Menell to fill out the D. Then add Giroux so the Kraken take Rask in the Expansion draft. This doesnt change the team much and leaves you opportunity to trade Fiala if you think you can improve that way. Keeps the Cap in a pretty good spot for more maneuvers.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Menell, Brennan1$750,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Eriksson Ek, Joel4$5,000,000
Kaprizov, Kirill8$8,000,000
Fiala, Kevin5$6,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cole, Ian2$2,000,000
Trades
MIN
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
WPG
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
    SEA
    1. Rask, Victor
    2. Giroux, Damien
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$79,632,758$0$1,582,500$1,867,242
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    $8,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    WPG
    Dubois, Pierre-Luc
    $5,000,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Zuccarello, Mats
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Parise, Zach
    $7,538,462
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Hartman, Ryan
    $1,700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Fiala, Kevin
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    MIN
    Greenway, Jordan
    $2,100,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    $5,000,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    $3,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Beckman, Adam
    $894,167
    LW
    RFA - 3
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    $725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Boldy, Matthew
    $880,833
    C
    RFA - 2
    MIN
    Rossi, Marco
    $894,167
    C
    RFA - 3
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    $7,538,462
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    $7,575,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MIN
    Talbot, Cam
    $3,666,667
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    $6,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MIN
    Soucy, Carson
    $2,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Kähkönen, Kaapo
    $725,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Cole, Ian
    $2,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA
    MIN
    Addison, Calen
    $795,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    MIN
    Menell, Brennan
    $750,000
    D
    RFA

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    Jun 18 at 12:04
    #1
    Jetsfan
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    Then we trade Demelo for Kaprizov...lol
    Jun 18 at 12:19
    #2
    Sniper27
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    Quoting: Jetman
    Then we trade Demelo for Kaprizov...lol


    I know!!!!!!!
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    Jun 18 at 12:23
    #3
    Patient gm
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    I would think in a scenario like this I would try and do a greenway and rask to Seattle type deal. Because that would give the wild the cap flexibility they would need for the next offseason, unless you want pld as a short termer
    Jun 18 at 12:39
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    Quoting: Jetman
    Then we trade Demelo for Kaprizov...lol


    Quoting: brockpeters1
    I know!!!!!!!


    I had a Wild fan claim Dumba would be a top pairing guy on 20 NHL teams.... even though hes not in Minny
    Jun 18 at 12:41
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    I had a Wild fan claim Dumba would be a top pairing guy on 20 NHL teams.... even though hes not in Minny


    He was last year for MN.
    Jun 18 at 12:42
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    Well, he would be a top pair defenseman if Winnipeg acquired him.
    Jun 18 at 12:46
    #7
    Jetsfan
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    Quoting: robrob10
    Well, he would be a top pair defenseman if Winnipeg acquired him.


    The point in MIN trading Dumba is the fact that SEA could take him....as if MIN gets a 22 year old Center for him...maybe we swing a deal for Copp but not Dubois...
    Jun 18 at 12:46
    #8
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    I had a Wild fan claim Dumba would be a top pairing guy on 20 NHL teams.... even though hes not in Minny


    He plays behind Spurgeon in Minnesota, who is better than a lot of the league's top pairing RHD. Silly comment comparing Dumba to who he plays behind in Minnesota and somehow thinking that forms a comparison of Dumba to other team's RHD.
    Jun 18 at 12:52
    #9
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    2 years of Dumba isn't worth near that much.
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    Jun 18 at 12:53
    #10
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    Quoting: Jetman
    The point in MIN trading Dumba is the fact that SEA could take him....as if MIN gets a 22 year old Center for him...maybe we swing a deal for Copp but not Dubois...


    That doesn't mean Winnipeg gets a discounted rate because of the expansion draft. The Wild will get the value they want (which none of us know) or they probably hang on to Dumba.
    Jun 18 at 12:55
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    Quoting: JayTea
    He plays behind Spurgeon in Minnesota, who is better than a lot of the league's top pairing RHD. Silly comment comparing Dumba to who he plays behind in Minnesota and somehow thinking that forms a comparison of Dumba to other team's RHD.


    More pointing out the irony in the statement.. Spurgeon is great and other teams also have high end talent at RSD. crazy to think outside Minn there are other good RSD. do you have Dumba as a top 40 defenseman? honestly asking bc by the way you are talking it seem like you think he is a top pairing defenseman

    Ducks - Manson
    Col - lmfao no Makar
    Boston Mcavoy
    flames- Andersson
    Habs- Petry
    TML Brodie,
    Canucks - Schmidt.... its tie for me
    Jets - Pionk
    Sharks- Burns/ EK.... idk if Dumba would play over either
    Blue.... Para and Faulk
    Vegas Pete lol no
    canes - Hamilton and Pesce
    Hawks - Murphy...maybe?
    CBJ - Jone... nope
    Dallas- Klingberg or Heiskanen
    Wings.... Hronek
    FLa Weegar and Ekblad
    Nash- Ellis
    Tampa - Cernak Sergachev
    Buf- Jokiharju.... possible
    NYI Pulock, Dobson
    NYR Fox
    Penguins Letang Marino
    Caps Carlson
    Jun 18 at 12:58
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    Quoting: robrob10
    Well, he would be a top pair defenseman if Winnipeg acquired him.


    over Pionk?
    Jun 18 at 1:01
    #13
    Jetsfan
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    over Pionk?


    No....he may play with Morrissey but Pionk is still better
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    Jun 18 at 1:02
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    Jetsfan
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    Quoting: robrob10
    That doesn't mean Winnipeg gets a discounted rate because of the expansion draft. The Wild will get the value they want (which none of us know) or they probably hang on to Dumba.


    What the expansion draft does is you lose someone like Greenway or Dumba....or the Jets trade Copp and a 3rd for Dumba and all MIN loses is a random nobody....
    Jun 18 at 1:04
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    Quoting: Jetman
    No....he may play with Morrissey but Pionk is still better


    thats what i was thinking but that guysaid he would be a top pairing guy for the Jets and thats not true. idk if i have Dumba in my top 40 dmen...maybe top 50?

    in Washington he would be #3behind Carlson and Orlov
    He's currently #3 on his own team
    Tampa he would be #3......

    feels like he would be a #3 on most competing NHL teams
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    Jun 18 at 1:06
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    over Pionk?


    In the Wild's case they played Suter/Spurgeon and Brodin/Dumba however they felt was best. They matched both sets of D against the forward lines of other teams the way they thought matched up best. Both sets had nearly equal playing time. So if you want to argue which set is 1 and which set is 2 is pretty irrelevant. So Dumba or Pionk, 1 or 2, does it matter. The fact is Winnipeg would take Dumba in a heartbeat for the right price.
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    Jun 18 at 1:09
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    Quoting: robrob10
    In the Wild's case they played Suter/Spurgeon and Brodin/Dumba however they felt was best. They matched both sets of D against the forward lines of other teams the way they thought matched up best. Both sets had nearly equal playing time. So if you want to argue which set is 1 and which set is 2 is pretty irrelevant. So Dumba or Pionk, 1 or 2, does it matter. The fact is Winnipeg would take Dumba in a heartbeat for the right price.


    i think my main point is that Dumba would rarely be considered 1st or 2nd best on most NHL teams... Brodin is elite and so is Spurgeon. I wouldnt want to trade a 1-2c for a 3-4 defenseman .... just rarely turns out well for the team taking the Dman
    Jun 18 at 1:09
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    Quoting: robrob10
    In the Wild's case they played Suter/Spurgeon and Brodin/Dumba however they felt was best. They matched both sets of D against the forward lines of other teams the way they thought matched up best. Both sets had nearly equal playing time. So if you want to argue which set is 1 and which set is 2 is pretty irrelevant. So Dumba or Pionk, 1 or 2, does it matter. The fact is Winnipeg would take Dumba in a heartbeat for the right price.


    That's the key right there. I'm sure the Jets would take Dumba, but this isn't anywhere close to the right price.
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    Jun 18 at 6:01
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    Quoting: DogDayCaps2
    More pointing out the irony in the statement.. Spurgeon is great and other teams also have high end talent at RSD. crazy to think outside Minn there are other good RSD. do you have Dumba as a top 40 defenseman? honestly asking bc by the way you are talking it seem like you think he is a top pairing defenseman

    Ducks - Manson
    Col - lmfao no Makar
    Boston Mcavoy
    flames- Andersson
    Habs- Petry
    TML Brodie,
    Canucks - Schmidt.... its tie for me
    Jets - Pionk
    Sharks- Burns/ EK.... idk if Dumba would play over either
    Blue.... Para and Faulk
    Vegas Pete lol no
    canes - Hamilton and Pesce
    Hawks - Murphy...maybe?
    CBJ - Jone... nope
    Dallas- Klingberg or Heiskanen
    Wings.... Hronek
    FLa Weegar and Ekblad
    Nash- Ellis
    Tampa - Cernak Sergachev
    Buf- Jokiharju.... possible
    NYI Pulock, Dobson
    NYR Fox
    Penguins Letang Marino
    Caps Carlson


    I'm not sure how you gather anything about my thoughts on Dumba from what I said. I just said the point about him not even being a top pairing guy on Minnesota is a straw man argument when it comes to how he compares to other teams.

    To answer your question, is he a top pairing dman? Honestly, no, he's a 2nd pairing guy who can play up depending on his partner but he can't carry a top pairing role like some top pairing guys can and do. He's not a defensive liability like some of the experts here think but he also doesn't see a lot of PK time so it's clearly not his strength.
    Jun 18 at 6:11
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    Quoting: JayTea
    I'm not sure how you gather anything about my thoughts on Dumba from what I said. I just said the point about him not even being a top pairing guy on Minnesota is a straw man argument when it comes to how he compares to other teams.

    To answer your question, is he a top pairing dman? Honestly, no, he's a 2nd pairing guy who can play up depending on his partner but he can't carry a top pairing role like some top pairing guys can and do. He's not a defensive liability like some of the experts here think but he also doesn't see a lot of PK time so it's clearly not his strength.


    1) i was saying people are calling him a top pairing Dman. WHICH IS IRONIC bc hes not even the top pairing RHD on his team.
    2) i don't think he's a defensive liability either he gets a bad rap like Carlson neither are good but hardly terrible
     
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