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Kaprizov

Created by: DirtyDangles
Initial Creation Date: Jun 21, 2021
Published: Jun 21 at 9:38
Team: 2021-22 Philadelphia Flyers
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hart, Carter3$3,750,000
Bunnaman, Connor2$800,000
Twarynski, Carsen2$800,000
Sanheim, Travis5$4,250,000
Kaprizov, Kirill5$10,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Andersen, Frederik1$3,500,000
Trades
PHI
    SEA
    1. van Riemsdyk, James
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (PHI)
    PHI
    1. Kaprizov, Kirill [RFA Rights]
    MIN
    1. Konecny, Travis
    2. Brink, Bobby [Reserve List]
    3. 2022 1st round pick (PHI)
    4. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
    PHI
    1. Jones, Seth
    CBJ
    1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    2. Patrick, Nolan [RFA Rights]
    3. 2021 1st round pick (PHI)
    4. 2022 3rd round pick (PHI)
    Buyouts
    • Ilya Bryzgalov: $0
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    2021
    PHI
    VGK
    PHI
    PHI
    2022
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    STL
    2023
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$80,795,356$0$1,450,000$704,644
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    PHI
    Farabee, Joel
    $925,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Couturier, Sean
    $4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Voracek, Jakub
    $8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    PHI
    Giroux, Claude
    $8,275,000
    LW, C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Frost, Morgan
    $863,333
    C
    RFA - 1
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    $10,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    PHI
    Laughton, Scott
    $3,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 5
    PHI
    Hayes, Kevin
    $7,142,857
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    PHI
    Allison, Wade
    $925,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Lindblom, Oskar
    $3,000,000
    LW
    RFA - 2
    PHI
    Laczynski, Tanner
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    $1,075,000
    RW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PHI
    Provorov, Ivan
    $6,750,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    CBJ
    Jones, Seth
    $5,400,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Hart, Carter
    $3,750,000
    G
    RFA - 3
    PHI
    Sanheim, Travis
    $4,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    PHI
    Myers, Philippe
    $2,550,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Andersen, Frederik
    $3,500,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    PHI
    York, Cam
    $880,833
    LD
    RFA - 2
    PHI
    Braun, Justin
    $1,800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    PHI
    Bunnaman, Connor
    $800,000
    C
    RFA - 2
    PHI
    Twarynski, Carsen
    $800,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Hägg, Robert
    $1,600,000
    LD
    UFA - 1

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    Jun 21 at 9:45
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    its a big risk to trade for Kaprizov when he can still sign in the KHL at anytime.
    Jun 21 at 9:47
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    Quoting: vinny82
    its a big risk to trade for Kaprizov when he can still sign in the KHL at anytime.


    Pay him $10 mil and I doubt he signs in the KHL
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    Jun 21 at 9:48
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    Reckon Kappy is one of ~10 truly untouchables atm

    The wild appreciate a quality offer but idk

    He's just special, y'know 🤷‍♂️
    Jun 21 at 9:48
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    Quoting: vinny82
    its a big risk to trade for Kaprizov when he can still sign in the KHL at anytime.


    Meh

    Elite players all want to be in the NHL in their prime

    Radulov one of the most unique people around
    Jun 21 at 9:50
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Reckon Kappy is one of ~10 truly untouchables atm

    The wild appreciate a quality offer but idk

    He's just special, y'know 🤷‍♂️


    If MIN isn't willing to pay him, then I think he bolts. So if Guerin knows he won't pay him then trade him to a team that will instead of losing him for nothing to the KHL.
    Jun 21 at 9:51
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    So what's the deal? Does Kaprizov not want to play for MIN or the NHL in general?
    Jun 21 at 9:52
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    So what's the deal? Does Kaprizov not want to play for MIN or the NHL in general?


    NHL more likely. Most reports I've read have said he will either end up in MIN or the KHL
    Jun 21 at 9:53
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    Quoting: DH28Hockey
    NHL more likely. Most reports I've read have said he will either end up in MIN or the KHL


    Ok, that's what I thought, but I've been seeing everyone trading for him, so I thought I missed some new report.
    Jun 21 at 10:17
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    So what's the deal? Does Kaprizov not want to play for MIN or the NHL in general?


    Quoting: DH28Hockey
    NHL more likely. Most reports I've read have said he will either end up in MIN or the KHL


    I think he wants a big payday on a shorter deal so that he can get an even bigger payday on the next one. Maybe he only wants a contract that will take him into free agency ASAP.
    Jun 21 at 10:19
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    I think he wants a big payday on a shorter deal so that he can get an even bigger payday on the next one. Maybe he only wants a contract that will take him into free agency ASAP.


    You think he wants that based on what?
    Jun 21 at 10:25
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    If MIN isn't willing to pay him, then I think he bolts. So if Guerin knows he won't pay him then trade him to a team that will instead of losing him for nothing to the KHL.


    It's not about the money, and least right now. It's about the term. Or rather I should say Guerin isn't being cheap here. He offered $8.5M AAV to Kaprizov in Guerin's opening offer on a 8 year $68M prictage. That was followed by a 7 year contract offer.

    Wild want to go long term here and prevent another Panarin situation where he bolts once he reaches UFA, and buy up value year's of that. Ideally they want something in the 6-8 range.

    Kaprizov and his agent, Paul Theofanous, want to go on a 1-3 short-term contract, so he can cash in on a $10M+ Panarin type contract once the league's more stable in a few years and he's not tied down to the franchise if things head south. Which is smart for him, not so much the team.

    Currently, neither side is budging from their stance. All things considered, it probably gets settled with a 4-5 year compromise by both sides.
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    Jun 21 at 10:28
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    You think he wants that based on what?


    Because we know he does, our Athletic beat-writer Michael Russo has reported he wants a short-term contract. Wild want to go long-term. That's why neither side is budging currently.
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    Jun 21 at 10:31
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    Quoting: RazWild
    Because we know he does, our Athletic beat-writer Michael Russo has reported he wants a short-term contract. Wild want to go long-term. That's why neither side is budging currently.


    But didn't the same report state it's either Wild or Russia?
    Jun 21 at 10:36
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    Quoting: Radu47
    Meh

    Elite players all want to be in the NHL in their prime

    Radulov one of the most unique people around


    Radulov got paid a ton of money at the time. Now Russia has a cap just like in the NHL. 900 mil Roubles, that is about 13 mil USD. You wont pay Kaprizov even 8 mil and build a team around him even with the resources and schemes of CSKA/SKA. P.S. Really liked to see Raz setting the KHL on fire while growing up.
    Jun 21 at 10:39
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    Quoting: RazWild
    It's not about the money, and least right now. It's about the term. Or rather I should say Guerin isn't being cheap here. He offered $8.5M AAV to Kaprizov in Guerin's opening offer on a 8 year $68M prictage. That was followed by a 7 year contract offer.

    Wild want to go long term here and prevent another Panarin situation where he bolts once he reaches UFA, and buy up value year's of that. Ideally they want something in the 6-8 range.

    Kaprizov and his agent, Paul Theofanous, want to go on a 1-3 short-term contract, so he can cash in on a $10M+ Panarin type contract once the league's more stable in a few years and he's not tied down to the franchise if things head south. Which is smart for him, not so much the team.

    Currently, neither side is budging from their stance. All things considered, it probably gets settled with a 4-5 year compromise by both sides.


    I would go with a 2 yrs instead and lock him up when he is 26 and still an RFA. Alternatively , a bunch of 1 year contracts. But all those in the range of 4-6 mill USD no more. GMBG needs to teach some folks to respect the needs of the team too. We dont want another McD-Drs scenario in MIN.
    Jun 21 at 10:50
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    But didn't the same report state it's either Wild or Russia?


    Those are his only two options, yes. The Wild hold his NHL rights, while CSKA Moscow hold his rights for the KHL. So it's either/or for him.

    The official KHL cap is something like $12M/team. The highest official amount players typically get paid is $2.5M. That said, it's a well known fact that players can and are often times paid additional amounts under the table. So it's not uncommon they can make a similar amount over there.

    There are two reasons why I don't think he'd bolt back to the KHL.

    1) Kaprizov has stated many times he wants to play in the NHL, he's done everything he possibly can in the KHL and considers himself an NHL caliber player. Unless it's as the absolute last resort, he'd rather be here than there.

    2) Kevin Weekes was represented by Kaprizov's current agent Paul Theofanous during his entire playing career. He isn't impartial in this. He released that information to help Theofanous put pressure on the Wild, hoping that would force Guerin's hand into signing the short-term contract they want. It's a negotiating ploy and tactic that's it. Saying Kaprizov would head back to the KHL if he doesn't get the contract he wants is literally their only bargaining chip.

    Take the report he'd head back with a massive grain of salt.
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    Jun 21 at 10:52
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    Quoting: RazWild
    Those are his only two options, yes. The Wild hold his NHL rights, while CSKA Moscow hold his rights for the KHL. So it's either/or for him.

    The official KHL cap is something like $12M/team. The highest official amount players typically get paid is $2.5M. That said, it's a well known fact that players can and are often times paid additional amounts under the table. So it's not uncommon they can make a similar amount over there.

    There are two reasons why I don't think he'd bolt back to the KHL.

    1) Kaprizov has stated many times he wants to play in the NHL, he's done everything he possibly can in the KHL and considers himself an NHL caliber player. Unless it's as the absolute last resort, he'd rather be here than there.

    2) Kevin Weekes was represented by Kaprizov's current agent Paul Theofanous during his entire playing career. He isn't impartial in this. He released that information to help Theofanous put pressure on the Wild, hoping that would force Guerin's hand into signing the short-term contract they want. It's a negotiating ploy and tactic that's it. Saying Kaprizov would head back to the KHL if he doesn't get the contract he wants is literally their only bargaining chip.

    Take the report he'd head back with a massive grain of salt.


    Gotcha. I guess the part I'm trying to surmise is it doesn't seem like he'd get moved to another team.
    Jun 21 at 10:54
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Gotcha. I guess the part I'm trying to surmise is it doesn't seem like he'd get moved to another team.


    Well as of right now it's the Wild or KHL but if they trade him then it's whoever they trade him to and the KHL. He is an RFA so can only sign with the team who has his rights.
    Jun 21 at 11:06
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Gotcha. I guess the part I'm trying to surmise is it doesn't seem like he'd get moved to another team.


    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    Well as of right now it's the Wild or KHL but if they trade him then it's whoever they trade him to and the KHL. He is an RFA so can only sign with the team who has his rights.


    Precisely, but if he were moved it would be for a haul. It would also have to be a team that was in a good position of competing or the threat of going back to the KHL would remain. Even then contract talks would depend on the state of the team he goes to and if he'd even be willing to sign long-term there too.
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    Jun 21 at 11:12
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    Quoting: RazWild
    Precisely, but if he were moved it would be for a haul. It would also have to be a team that was in a good position of competing or the threat of going back to the KHL would remain. Even then contract talks would depend on the state of the team he goes to and if he'd even be willing to sign long-term there too.


    I'm not trying to be combative or rain on anyone's parade, but I feel like this is a lot of extrapolating/stretching. Plus, as good as he is, the position MIN would be in gives them little leverage to get a real haul, so it's likely in their best interest to sign him to a bridge deal rather than move him.
    Jun 21 at 11:21
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    Quoting: RazWild
    Precisely, but if he were moved it would be for a haul. It would also have to be a team that was in a good position of competing or the threat of going back to the KHL would remain. Even then contract talks would depend on the state of the team he goes to and if he'd even be willing to sign long-term there too.


    The Flyers would definitely be a contender if we got Kaprizov...as long as they also get the RHD we need.
    Jun 21 at 11:22
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    I'm not trying to be combative or rain on anyone's parade, but I feel like this is a lot of extrapolating/stretching. Plus, as good as he is, the position MIN would be in gives them little leverage to get a real haul, so it's likely in their best interest to sign him to a bridge deal rather than move him.


    It's not a reach at all.

    He was a top ten player in the league this year, in a shortened season, in just his rookie season in the NHL. Normally, and I still very much think he is, that kind of player is untouchable.

    If he's made available, it'll cost whoever trades for him. It's more or less like the Eichel situation in BUF, whoever trades for him will need assurances he's going to be healthy down the road or you're literally trading the franchise for a $10M paperweight. Any team that likely trades for Kaprizov would want assurances he wouldn't bolt. In that sense even though he's a RFA, he'll probably get to dictate where he gets traded to even though he doesn't have a NTC or NMC.
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    Jun 21 at 11:27
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    The Flyers would definitely be a contender if we got Kaprizov...as long as they also get the RHD we need.


    We could always toss in Dumba for say Ghost and Patrick as well.
    Jun 21 at 11:34
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    Quoting: RazWild
    It's not a reach at all.

    He was a top ten player in the league this year, in a shortened season, in just his rookie season in the NHL. Normally, and I still very much think he is, that kind of player is untouchable.

    If he's made available, it'll cost whoever trades for him. It's more or less like the Eichel situation in BUF, whoever trades for him will need assurances he's going to be healthy down the road or you're literally trading the franchise for a $10M paperweight. Any team that likely trades for Kaprizov would want assurances he wouldn't bolt. In that sense even though he's a RFA, he'll probably get to dictate where he gets traded to even though he doesn't have a NTC or NMC.


    MIN would not be in a position of strength. While any team in the league would offer a nice return just for one year of his services, knowing they will only get him for two or three years will affect the type of return MIN gets. A king's ransom would come if they knew they'd be able to sign him to a long-term contract. Don't get me wrong, MIN would still get a nice return, but they won't get a haul knowing it's a short-term contract.
    Jun 21 at 11:40
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    Quoting: RazWild
    We could always toss in Dumba for say Ghost and Patrick as well.


    I actually had that exact trade in this until I thought it more likely we are targeting Jones.
     
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