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Pillage the NYR

Created by: brebil
Initial Creation Date: Jun 21, 2021
Published: Jun 21 at 11:45
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Buchnevich, Pavel6$6,200,000
Gauthier, Julien2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Di Giuseppe, Phillip3$750,000
Johnson, Jack5$950,000
Bogosian, Zach4$1,225,000
Galchenyuk, Alex3$1,000,000
Foligno, Nick5$3,750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel [RFA Rights]
  2. Gauthier, Julien [RFA Rights]
  3. Georgiev, Alexandar
  4. Miller, K'Andre
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
  6. 2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
NYR
  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. Engvall, Pierre
  3. Rielly, Morgan
  4. Hutchinson, Michael
  5. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
  6. 2023 4th round pick (TOR)
  7. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
NYR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,033,116$0$750,000$466,884
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Buchnevich, Pavel
$6,200,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Foligno, Nick
$3,750,000
LW, C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
TOR
Galchenyuk, Alex
$1,000,000
LW, C, RW
UFA
TOR
Amirov, Rodion
$925,000
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Gauthier, Julien
$950,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
NYR
Georgiev, Alexandar
$2,425,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
NYR
Miller, K'Andre
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,225,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1

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Jun 21 at 11:49
#1
Joined: Mar 2021
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This is just a pure waste of time
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Jun 21 at 11:53
#2
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I have to think the Rangers give a hard pass.
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Jun 21 at 11:59
#3
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Rangers decline. Miller/Buch are the 2 biggest pieses and both going to Toronto. Rielly knees are shot and we're going to see a VERY big decrease in his production as soon as next year. Sandin has already tooking his PP1 mins. Also he only has one more year left on his contract so he could easily play one year with the Rangers and then sign back with Toronto next summer. His value is low. Rangers fans don't see all the hype Toronto fans give Robertson so we don't value him as much as you do. Georgiev is a potentially #1 goalie and you give back Hutchinson which is an insult. 23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year. So as you see the trade is VERY heavily one side towards Toronto and Rangers easily delcine.
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Jun 21 at 12:00
#4
VGKNation702
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Can’t think of a reason why NYR would even entertain this call
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Jun 21 at 12:02
#5
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Quoting: Root
Rangers decline. Miller/Buch are the 2 biggest pieses and both going to Toronto. Rielly knees are shot and we're going to see a VERY big decrease in his production as soon as next year. Sandin has already tooking his PP1 mins. Also he only has one more year left on his contract so he could easily play one year with the Rangers and then sign back with Toronto next summer. His value is low. Rangers fans don't see all the hype Toronto fans give Robertson so we don't value him as much as you do. Georgiev is a potentially #1 goalie and you give back Hutchinson which is an insult. 23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year. So as you see the trade is VERY heavily one side towards Toronto and Rangers easily delcine.


Dude, the Leafs fans on here think Reilly is gold and every trade he's in is a massive return.
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Jun 21 at 12:14
#6
Lenny7
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 7,965
Likes: 5,358
Quoting: Root
Rangers decline. Miller/Buch are the 2 biggest pieses and both going to Toronto. Rielly knees are shot and we're going to see a VERY big decrease in his production as soon as next year. Sandin has already tooking his PP1 mins. Also he only has one more year left on his contract so he could easily play one year with the Rangers and then sign back with Toronto next summer. His value is low. Rangers fans don't see all the hype Toronto fans give Robertson so we don't value him as much as you do. Georgiev is a potentially #1 goalie and you give back Hutchinson which is an insult. 23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year. So as you see the trade is VERY heavily one side towards Toronto and Rangers easily delcine.


Not that I think that the Rangers should take this, because they definitely shouldn't, but I just wanted to point out a few flaws in your line of thinking...
-Sandin is an RFA after next year, not a UFA. Could he sign an offer sheet? Sure...but I'm pretty sure the Leafs wouldn't have the funds to make that happen.
-Rielly's knees are so bad that he put up one his best possession seasons, put up the 2nd highest ATOI of his career, and put up the 2nd best point per game numbers of his career. Guy is a bummmm!
-I agree on Robertson.
-Georgiev has put up league average numbers through his career. League average.
-"23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year". Gauthier is a 4th liner who throws his body around. Doesn't exactly scream "Breakout candidate!". Engvall is an overpaid 13th forward.
Jun 21 at 12:15
#7
Terry_AkiSauce
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: Root
Rangers decline. Miller/Buch are the 2 biggest pieses and both going to Toronto. Rielly knees are shot and we're going to see a VERY big decrease in his production as soon as next year. Sandin has already tooking his PP1 mins. Also he only has one more year left on his contract so he could easily play one year with the Rangers and then sign back with Toronto next summer. His value is low. Rangers fans don't see all the hype Toronto fans give Robertson so we don't value him as much as you do. Georgiev is a potentially #1 goalie and you give back Hutchinson which is an insult. 23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year. So as you see the trade is VERY heavily one side towards Toronto and Rangers easily delcine.


So many untrue absolute statements in here, stupid trade for sure but half of what you say is just made up.
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Jun 21 at 12:22
#8
Lenny7
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Dude, the Leafs fans on here think Reilly is gold and every trade he's in is a massive return.


And the Pens think that Mike Matheson has value. I guess nobody is perfect...

As a non-Leafs fan who rarely defends them, I'm not sure what's wrong with expecting a decent return for a solid defenceman who was on pace for 63 pts (2nd best of his career), plays 23 minutes a night, and is only going to cost $5 mil this season.
Jun 21 at 12:23
#9
Thread Starter
Joined: Jun 2021
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Quoting: Root
Rangers decline. Miller/Buch are the 2 biggest pieses and both going to Toronto. Rielly knees are shot and we're going to see a VERY big decrease in his production as soon as next year. Sandin has already tooking his PP1 mins. Also he only has one more year left on his contract so he could easily play one year with the Rangers and then sign back with Toronto next summer. His value is low. Rangers fans don't see all the hype Toronto fans give Robertson so we don't value him as much as you do. Georgiev is a potentially #1 goalie and you give back Hutchinson which is an insult. 23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year. So as you see the trade is VERY heavily one side towards Toronto and Rangers easily delcine.


Well explained, thanks for the discourse.

Hutchinson is purely a throw away. It allows you to protect Kinkaid who i thought was well regarded. TO could offer sheet Buch for a 1st and 2nd. Obviously NY would match, hence Robertson who's better than a 2nd. Miller, i valued at a 2nd.. maybe low? Depends how he develops. Georgiev walks next year when Sherishtien signs big. This ensures a return.
Jun 21 at 12:24
#10
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Quoting: Lenny7
And the Pens think that Mike Matheson has value. I guess nobody is perfect...

As a non-Leafs fan who rarely defends them, I'm not sure what's wrong with expecting a decent return for a solid defenceman who was on pace for 63 pts (2nd best of his career), plays 23 minutes a night, and is only going to cost $5 mil this season.


No, we really don't think Matheson has value. In any trade I put him in I was pretty conservative about what to expect and aware there's probably only two or three teams in the league where he fits.
Jun 21 at 12:41
#11
Joined: Sep 2020
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Quoting: brebil
Well explained, thanks for the discourse.

Hutchinson is purely a throw away. It allows you to protect Kinkaid who i thought was well regarded. TO could offer sheet Buch for a 1st and 2nd. Obviously NY would match, hence Robertson who's better than a 2nd. Miller, i valued at a 2nd.. maybe low? Depends how he develops. Georgiev walks next year when Sherishtien signs big. This ensures a return.


Miller is a top4 guy in his rookie season. His developing isn’t in question. I think this is a case of you never seeing him play and your view of his value will change this year. Regardless this trade is out to lunch. Reilly is a UFA and we have Fox on the PP1 so his value is even lower to us. Find someone with a need for a PP1QB and they would be the right team to target
Jun 21 at 12:43
#12
Joined: Sep 2016
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Quoting: Lenny7
Not that I think that the Rangers should take this, because they definitely shouldn't, but I just wanted to point out a few flaws in your line of thinking...
-Sandin is an RFA after next year, not a UFA. Could he sign an offer sheet? Sure...but I'm pretty sure the Leafs wouldn't have the funds to make that happen.
-Rielly's knees are so bad that he put up one his best possession seasons, put up the 2nd highest ATOI of his career, and put up the 2nd best point per game numbers of his career. Guy is a bummmm!
-I agree on Robertson.
-Georgiev has put up league average numbers through his career. League average.
-"23 year old Gauthier cieling is so much higher then 25 year old Engvall and the matter of fact Gauthier is about to have a break out year next year". Gauthier is a 4th liner who throws his body around. Doesn't exactly scream "Breakout candidate!". Engvall is an overpaid 13th forward.


-Sandin was never in the trade and it was obvious i was talking about Rielly being an UFA next summer.
-i'm not your Gf/wife so don't put words into my mouth... i never said Rielly was a "bummmm!" just when you torn anterior cruciate ligament its going to catch up to you and we've been seeing signs of it.
-Georgiev is 25 years old when mosty goalie just break into the NHL on avg. His numbers are very promising and use the "potentially"
-Gauthier doesn't throw his body around at all which can get frustrating for a fan knowing his size and speed (Very fast!!! ) lol and has publicly said "i can't play the 4th line role i'm a top 6 forward" and if you know anything about the Rangers in which you seen to not we have had VERY high draft picks lately and room for them is tight pushing Gauthier to a 4th line role in which he's not.
Jun 21 at 12:51
#13
Joined: Sep 2016
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Quoting: brebil
Well explained, thanks for the discourse.

Hutchinson is purely a throw away. It allows you to protect Kinkaid who i thought was well regarded. TO could offer sheet Buch for a 1st and 2nd. Obviously NY would match, hence Robertson who's better than a 2nd. Miller, i valued at a 2nd.. maybe low? Depends how he develops. Georgiev walks next year when Sherishtien signs big. This ensures a return.


Georgiev is 10x better then Kinkaid and not "well regarded" lol Georgiev will be an RFA so he's not "walking" far. Miller "i valued at a 2nd" is a big yikes!! The guy is going to be a star in the NHL. Buch had higher numbers then Nylander this year .. just saying. Plus he was one of the best PK players in the NHL this year.
Jun 21 at 12:58
#14
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rangers counter Mathews 1/2 retained for Brett Howden
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Jun 21 at 12:59
#15
Lenny7
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Quoting: Root
-Sandin was never in the trade and it was obvious i was talking about Rielly being an UFA next summer. You said Sandin...
-i'm not your Gf/wife so don't put words into my mouth... i never said Rielly was a "bummmm!" just when you torn anterior cruciate ligament its going to catch up to you and we've been seeing signs of it. Weird that his numbers haven't been declining...
-Georgiev is 25 years old when mosty goalie just break into the NHL on avg. His numbers are very promising and use the "potentially" His numbers are, quite literally league average. Not sure how that's promising, other than the fact that he's a safe bet to be league average...
-Gauthier doesn't throw his body around at all which can get frustrating for a fan knowing his size and speed (Very fast!!! ) lol and has publicly said "i can't play the 4th line role i'm a top 6 forward" and if you know anything about the Rangers in which you seen to not we have had VERY high draft picks lately and room for them is tight pushing Gauthier to a 4th line role in which he's not. I mean, he averaged 2 hits per game this past season, playing less than 10 minutes a night, so there's that...I'm pretty confident that the vast majority of 4th liners would also say "I'm not a 4th liner! I'm a top 6 forward!". There certainly aren't any numbers that would indicate that he's anything more than a bottom 6 forward.


It's funny when people resort to personal attacks when they can't find any stats to back up their (flawed) arguments. Cheers man!
Jun 21 at 2:14
#16
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Tor couldnt get Dman Miller for Reilly straight up.
Reilly sucks, hes over paid.
This is complete garbage.
 
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