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Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
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Jun. 21, 2021 at 11:54 p.m.
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GO FLAMES GO
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Flames decline
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Jun. 21, 2021 at 11:55 p.m.
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We better be the ones getting Eichel if we’re giving up Tkachuk. That’s the only way the Flames are giving up Tkachuk. If the Flames want Reinhart, they’re propose a deal including Monahan instead.
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Jun. 21, 2021 at 11:56 p.m.
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No thanks from Chicago.
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:01 a.m.
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We better be the ones getting Eichel if we’re giving up Tkachuk. That’s the only way the Flames are giving up Tkachuk. If the Flames want Reinhart, they’re propose a deal including Monahan instead.


Lol Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player
Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:03 a.m.
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Lol Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player


Yeah so you can have #12 as well but Reinhart isn't a Tkachuk level player just as much as Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player
Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:11 a.m.
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Yeah so you can have #12 as well but Reinhart isn't a Tkachuk level player just as much as Tkachuk isn't an Eichel level player


we'd have to add something but Reinhart was a top 10 goal scorer in a year largely without Eichel, Tkachuk had a better team and better linemates and had close to the same point total. I'd say they are closer value wise than Tkachuk is to Eichel
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:17 a.m.
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we'd have to add something but Reinhart was a top 10 goal scorer in a year largely without Eichel, Tkachuk had a better team and better linemates and had close to the same point total. I'd say they are closer value wise than Tkachuk is to Eichel


Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:19 a.m.
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Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse


Seeing how PLD "forced his way out of town" and Columbus still got Laine and Roslovic I'm not especially worried, always a market for goal scoring wingers coming off a carrier year
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:21 a.m.
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Seeing how PLD "forced their way out of town" and Columbus still got Laine and Roslovic I'm not worried, always a market for goal scoring singers coming off a carrier year


I'm not saying Reinhart won't get a good return but he won't be getting an upgrade, especially since Buffalo is scorching earth

Also I wasn't aware Reinhart had a good voice
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:21 a.m.
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Eichel >> Tkachuk => Reinhart

Tkachuk's stats

2016-17 76 13 35 48
2017-18 68 24 25 49
2018-19 80 34 43 77
2019-20 69 23 38 61
2020-21 56 16 27 43

Reinhart's Stats

2015-16 79 23 19 42
2016-17 79 17 30 47
2017-18 82 25 25 50
2018-19 82 22 43 65
2019-20 69 22 28 50
2020-21 54 25 15 40

Statistically they are rather close, Reinhart is a bit healthier and is very consistent at getting 22/23 goals a season.
Tkachuk is a bit more of a wildcard and has missed 6+ games in all but one season during his career. Reinhart has missed 8 TOTAL Games, wow I just figured that last part out lol

Maybe we add something of a smaller amount to better even it out but they seem like a natural swap.
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:31 a.m.
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Quoting: thewookie1
Eichel >> Tkachuk => Reinhart

Tkachuk's stats

2016-17 76 13 35 48
2017-18 68 24 25 49
2018-19 80 34 43 77
2019-20 69 23 38 61
2020-21 56 16 27 43

Reinhart's Stats

2015-16 79 23 19 42
2016-17 79 17 30 47
2017-18 82 25 25 50
2018-19 82 22 43 65
2019-20 69 22 28 50
2020-21 54 25 15 40

Statistically they are rather close, Reinhart is a bit healthier and is very consistent at getting 22/23 goals a season.
Tkachuk is a bit more of a wildcard and has missed 6+ games in all but one season during his career. Reinhart has missed 8 TOTAL Games, wow I just figured that last part out lol

Maybe we add something of a smaller amount to better even it out but they seem like a natural swap.


I think that if you just look at goals and points, reinhart and tkachuk are actually very similar, but their styles of play are not similar at all. I can 100% see calgary not trading tkachuk for reinhart, even if reinhart is open to extending there. Reinhart for a first (around 10oa this year) and a forward prospect makes sense for all parties. And i want no part of monahan, so keep any monahan bait and switch offers.
Jun. 22, 2021 at 12:42 a.m.
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Devils decline
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:04 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I'm not saying Reinhart won't get a good return but he won't be getting an upgrade, especially since Buffalo is scorching earth

Also I wasn't aware Reinhart had a good voice


I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:08 a.m.
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I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it


Thats where the problem lies, I'm not debating the trade value in a nutshell. I'm saying Calgary would only be interest in adding to Tkachuk to get Eichel
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:14 a.m.
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Thats where the problem lies, I'm not debating the trade value in a nutshell. I'm saying Calgary would only be interest in adding to Tkachuk to get Eichel


And that's why I'm probably not interested unless it was like, Tkachuk, 12, and Zary which probably isn't realistic. You're probably right, all I'm saying is Reinhart is no slouch, even if Calgary wouldnt trade Tkachuk for him
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:16 a.m.
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I also wasn't fully aware he had a "carrier" year until u mentioned it. He won't be getting an upgrade, that's fair. As I said before it would need Reinhart+ for Tkachuk if the flames even wanted to consider it


You’re wasting your time talking to that guy

Tkachuk reportedly wants out
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Calgary is supposedly sick of his antics

Yet according to @ledge_and_dairy,
Tkachuk’s value doesn’t take a hit…. only Reinhart’s does

That’s just laughable “homer” nonsense
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Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:23 a.m.
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You’re wasting your time talking to that guy

Tkachuk reportedly wants out
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Calgary is supposedly sick of his antics

Yet according to @ledge_and_dairy,
Tkachuk’s value doesn’t take a hit…. only Reinhart’s does

That’s just laughable “homer” nonsense


You're an idiot dude, I find it most hilarious that you actually took the time unblock me just to read what I wrote too.

Reinhart basically asked for a trade FYI, Tkachuk didn't. A beat reporter started a rumor with zero substance
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:27 a.m.
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PDG over PDO
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures


is Tkachuck not really doing the same thing here? I've been in a disagreement with Sabres fans as i think they are over valuing Reinhart but he is way closer to Tkachuck then Tkachuck is to Eichel, I think Reinhart plus a b+ prospect and 3rd is fair value
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:35 a.m.
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is Tkachuck not really doing the same thing here? I've been in a disagreement with Sabres fans as i think they are over valuing Reinhart but he is way closer to Tkachuck then Tkachuck is to Eichel, I think Reinhart plus a b+ prospect and 3rd is fair value


No he's not because Reinhart implied he wanted a trade whereas this Tkachuk rumor was started by Shane O'Brien, an unreliable source

As for value you would trade Marner for Reinhart a b+ prospect and a 3rd?
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No he's not because Reinhart implied he wanted a trade whereas this Tkachuk rumor was started by Shane O'Brien, an unreliable source

As for value you would trade Marner for Reinhart a b+ prospect and a 3rd?


Lol no i wouldn't but that's because Marner doesn't have the same value as Tkachuk, O'Brien still ties to the flames org i am sure and was right about montour to FLA so i wouldn't rule it out, would i take it as facts no i wouldn't either, but if we are saying both players want out like the rumor's say right now then its alot closer then you think
Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.
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Lol no i wouldn't but that's because Marner doesn't have the same value as Tkachuk, O'Brien still ties to the flames org i am sure and was right about montour to FLA so i wouldn't rule it out, would i take it as facts no i wouldn't either, but if we are saying both players want out like the rumor's say right now then its alot closer then you think


Flames wouldnt trade MT for Marner straight up, thats how highly Tkachuk is valued to the Flames and generally around the league.

As for O'Brien, he played for the Flames for 1 season before getting waived 8 years ago, any ties he has are not really notable. He didn't call the Montour trade either, he just announced it after it happened since he works for SN.

I get your point about if both players wanted out but ones rumors has way more substance to it than the other. Also even if Chucky wanted out he still has twice Sam's term remaining
Jun. 22, 2021 at 2:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Flames wouldnt trade MT for Marner straight up, thats how highly Tkachuk is valued to the Flames and generally around the league.

As for O'Brien, he played for the Flames for 1 season before getting waived 8 years ago, any ties he has are not really notable. He didn't call the Montour trade either, he just announced it after it happened since he works for SN.

I get your point about if both players wanted out but ones rumors has way more substance to it than the other. Also even if Chucky wanted out he still has twice Sam's term remaining


See and that's where I will agree with you with tkachuks term and one having more substance then the other but I feel an NHL gm will have more info on those then the fans do, were you lose me is not trading tkachuk for marner imho marner has double the value of tkachuk, I am not saying tkachuk for reinhart 1 for 1 is fair, but I am saying they are closer to value then tkachuk for echiel one for one is
Jun. 22, 2021 at 2:16 a.m.
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See and that's where I will agree with you with tkachuks term and one having more substance then the other but I feel an NHL gm will have more info on those then the fans do, were you lose me is not trading tkachuk for marner imho marner has double the value of tkachuk, I am not saying tkachuk for reinhart 1 for 1 is fair, but I am saying they are closer to value then tkachuk for echiel one for one is


If a reliable source comes out and backs up O'Brien then sure, as of now it is merely an opinion he put out to likely get traffic to his new podcast.

I'm not here to debate Tkachuk vs Marner that much as there will be 20 other threads for it (also I thought you were a Leafs fan not a Nucks fan at first). But Marner has gone completely invisible in the postseason 3 years in a row now. Marner despite being a 90 point player has never gotten or even paced 30 goals before, he benefits a lot from having one of the best goal scorers in the league as his center (and JT put of 40 goals when he centered Marner). Whereas until this year Tkachuks center has always been Backlund. Marner is an excellent player but is still overpaid
Jun. 22, 2021 at 10:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Not with Reinhart forcing his way out of town, that does hurt his value despite him having up a carrier year. Personally i wouldn't deal Tkachuk to Buffalo unless Eichel was the player coming back. Reinhart is at the end of the day a downgrade for a likely similar caphit next year and Calgary isn't trying to get worse or collect futures


Reinhart isn't really forcing his way out of town, at least not yet.
 
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