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Sabres w Tkachuk

Created by: thewookie1
Initial Creation Date: Jun 21, 2021
Published: Jun 22 at 12:35
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Tkachuk signs a 5x8mil extension

Reinhart signs 7x7mil in Calgary
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Asplund, Rasmus3$1,150,000
Borgen, William3$1,150,000
Jokiharju, Henri2$2,250,000
Dahlin, Rasmus2$5,250,000
Mittelstadt, Casey5$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mrázek, Petr1$3,500,000
Ullmark, Linus3$4,500,000
Danault, Phillip4$6,750,000
Miller, Kevan1$2,000,000
McCabe, Jake1$2,500,000
Sheahan, Riley1$750,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
CGY
  1. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
BUF
    SEA
    1. Miller, Colin
    2. 2021 5th round pick (MTL)
    BUF
    1. Connolly, Brett
    2. Dach, Kirby
    3. Shaw, Andrew
    4. De Haan, Calvin
    5. 2021 1st round pick (CHI)
    6. 2022 1st round pick (CHI)
    Additional Details:
    2022 is lottery protected
    CHI
    1. Eichel, Jack
    2. Bjork, Anders
    BUF
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (WPG)
    2. 2022 5th round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    • Cody Eakin: $583,334
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BUF
    CHI
    BUF
    WPG
    FLA
    MTL
    BUF
    BUF
    COL
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    CHI
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    WPG
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$78,408,334$0$3,350,000$3,091,666
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    $9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Danault, Phillip
    $6,750,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    $7,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    $3,050,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    CHI
    Dach, Kirby
    $925,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    $894,167
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $3,000,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Thompson, Tage
    $1,400,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    $1,150,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $2,200,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Connolly, Brett
    $3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $5,250,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    $1,150,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    $4,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    CHI
    De Haan, Calvin
    $4,550,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $2,250,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    Mrázek, Petr
    $3,500,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    $2,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Miller, Kevan
    $2,000,000
    RD
    UFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    CHI
    Shaw, Andrew
    $3,900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    $889,166
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Sheahan, Riley
    $750,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1

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    Jun 22 at 12:37
    #1
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    F no
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    Jun 22 at 12:38
    #2
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    thewookie1
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    F no


    Not exactly helpful
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    Jun 22 at 12:38
    #3
    Sabres fan
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    I was pretty sure that Andrew Shaw retired.
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    Jun 22 at 12:40
    #4
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    thewookie1
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    Quoting: Tjm220
    I was pretty sure that Andrew Shaw retired.


    Hence why he is on IR, technically he'd end up on LTIR if we needed the extra cap space.
    Jun 22 at 12:42
    #5
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    Its not the worst Eichel deal I've seen. Dach and (2) 1sts is too much value but the fact you have taken cap and included a lottery protection makes it closer, Would probably have to make it a conditional 1st on us reaching the playoffs rather then a protection for us to do this deal.
    Jun 22 at 12:46
    #6
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    You want Tkachuk you better be offering Eichel, adding Reinhart and loosing Tkachuk makes Calgary older and worse
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    Jun 22 at 12:53
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Its not the worst Eichel deal I've seen. Dach and (2) 1sts is too much value but the fact you have taken cap and included a lottery protection makes it closer, Would probably have to make it a conditional 1st on us reaching the playoffs rather then a protection for us to do this deal.


    Taking back 3 cap dumps seems excessive if all we are guaranteed to get is dach and this years first.
    Jun 22 at 1:01
    #8
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Its not the worst Eichel deal I've seen. Dach and (2) 1sts is too much value but the fact you have taken cap and included a lottery protection makes it closer, Would probably have to make it a conditional 1st on us reaching the playoffs rather then a protection for us to do this deal.


    Lololololololol
    That’s not even enough for Eichel to begin with
    Jun 22 at 1:04
    #9
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    You want Tkachuk you better be offering Eichel, adding Reinhart and loosing Tkachuk makes Calgary older and worse


    The first thing that would need to happen is Reinhart would need to agree to an extension in Calgary. It could be the case, but it will depend on the market for Tkachuk which will be pretty damn strong.

    The question would be, does Calgary want to try and win now, or reload and get a little younger? I’m inclined to think the ladder unless Eichel is involved.

    I wouldn’t be stunned if Calgary accepted it if there was an extension in place, but it would probably only be if he was the best player/ offer available and that will likely not be the case.

    Tkachuk will be the second most sought after player on the trade market after Eichel.

    Flames would probably decline
    Jun 22 at 1:07
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    The first thing that would need to happen is Reinhart would need to agree to an extension in Calgary. It could be the case, but it will depend on the market for Tkachuk which will be pretty damn strong.

    The question would be, does Calgary want to try and win now, or reload and get a little younger? I’m inclined to think the ladder unless Eichel is involved.

    I wouldn’t be stunned if Calgary accepted it if there was an extension in place, but it would probably only be if he was the best player/ offer available and that will likely not be the case.

    Tkachuk will be the second most sought after player on the trade market after Eichel.

    Flames would probably decline


    The problem is that the Tkachuk rumor is based on literally nothing, Shane O'Brien is not a reliable source for rumors at all. Only thing he's done recently is announce the Montour to Florida trade after it happened
    Jun 22 at 1:08
    #11
    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Its not the worst Eichel deal I've seen. Dach and (2) 1sts is too much value but the fact you have taken cap and included a lottery protection makes it closer, Would probably have to make it a conditional 1st on us reaching the playoffs rather then a protection for us to do this deal.


    My prediction with Chicago is that if Chicago is going for Eichel, then they are going all in for him and Seth Jones. They are likely going to want to have something to offer Columbus as well, so I can’t see them parting with two firsts , and if they don’t land Eichel, they will probably look at defenseman
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    Jun 22 at 2:08
    #12
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    Lololololololol
    That’s not even enough for Eichel to begin with


    Mind sharing what you feel is your view on Eichels value? You seem to have a fairly clear indication so please do share?
    Jun 22 at 2:11
    #13
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    That trade is garbage. Tkachuk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reinhart
    Jun 22 at 2:12
    #14
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    Quoting: DennisReynolds
    My prediction with Chicago is that if Chicago is going for Eichel, then they are going all in for him and Seth Jones. They are likely going to want to have something to offer Columbus as well, so I can’t see them parting with two firsts , and if they don’t land Eichel, they will probably look at defenseman


    You could be right but I'm hoping thats not the case, I'm not high on the Jones trades, and tbh I'm not completely sold on the Eichel trades either. BUF fans with all due respect seem to have a mentality where they can get more than fair value. There is no doubt the return will be good compensation but (4) or (5) 1sts of value is way off the mark. Im hoping that if we don't go for Eichel we don't try and make a play at a big time defence man unless its franchise altering and they are a rare breed.
    Jun 22 at 3:57
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    Mind sharing what you feel is your view on Eichels value? You seem to have a fairly clear indication so please do share?


    I do mind
    Bc i don’t feel like arguing with someone whose option i just don’t care about

    We’ll see what happens
    In the meantime….
    maybe keep the arrogant “know it all” bs comments to yourself
    Jun 22 at 4:20
    #16
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    Quoting: thewookie1
    Not exactly helpful


    Well its a terrible offer, Reinhart doesn't come close to equaling out the value. If Eichel isn't involved in that deal then im expecting Cozens at the very least in there.
    Jun 22 at 3:42
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    FiveStarMan
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    Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
    You could be right but I'm hoping thats not the case, I'm not high on the Jones trades, and tbh I'm not completely sold on the Eichel trades either. BUF fans with all due respect seem to have a mentality where they can get more than fair value. There is no doubt the return will be good compensation but (4) or (5) 1sts of value is way off the mark. Im hoping that if we don't go for Eichel we don't try and make a play at a big time defence man unless its franchise altering and they are a rare breed.


    I can tell you right now, Eichel with Pat Kane would be a lethal combination, and if Eichel is healthy I think he turns them into a legit playoff contender and maybe ., cup contender depending on how they fill the rest of the roster ....if you’re putting a player of Eichel’s calliber on this roster, it’s going to add a huge dynamic to the Hawks. So I can see why they are interested.

    As far as fair value, no team is going to want to trade for Eichel and then deplete their organization of depth

    To me I’d say his value to Chicago would be five or six pieces..... Dach, Strome or Kubalik, Probably De Haan, and then a first and a second. Money wise such an deal works, and that’s gonna be the other part.

    Buffalo is going to want to probably return a young center who can play in a top six or top nine right next w, a top six forward roster player, and a high first round pick as the package
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    Jun 22 at 6:28
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    Quoting: Jdfitz77
    I do mind
    Bc i don’t feel like arguing with someone whose option i just don’t care about

    We’ll see what happens
    In the meantime….
    maybe keep the arrogant “know it all” bs comments to yourself


    Stop being such a wise guy, your on here calling BS on a trade idea and not willing to give a reasonable explanation. Thats not "know it all" bs, its common courtesy.

    These are not argumentative points but more gaining better indications of other fan bases values and opinions amongst each organisation.

    Im sure your probably a great guy/girl though coming on here and trying to call people out or discredit their views or opinions is no way to go about it.
     
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