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Lets try a more realistic Tkachuk deal

Created by: LGuy54
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 22, 2021
Published: Jun. 22, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dubé, Dillon2$2,000,000
Vehvilainen, Veini3$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Foligno, Nick2$2,750,000
Bogosian, Zach2$1,000,000
McGinn, Brock2$2,100,000
Cizikas, Casey2$2,950,000
Raanta, Antti1$2,250,000
Ritchie, Brett1$750,000
Schenn, Luke1$900,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
  2. Dubé, Dillon [RFA Rights]
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Ok I tried to model this like the Tkachuk-Laine trade

-Two disgruntled stars
-Laine had a higher salary than Dubois, so WPG retained 26%. I cut it down to 19% with marner cuz of our cap situation, but same concept.
-WPG included another player in their deal (Roslovic), so i went with Dube here but if you want i can change it.
-CBJ included a 3rd, so i had the leafs including a 3rd

It's not exactly the same, but i was trying to match the concept.
What do you think?? Please leave constructive comments below
CGY
  1. Marner, Mitchell ($2,071,570 retained)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
    SEA
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Mitchell Marner: $2,071,570 (19%)
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
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    2022
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    2023
    Logo of the TOR
    Logo of the TOR
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$79,863,353$0$0$1,636,647
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Logo of the CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    $7,000,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    Dubé, Dillon
    $2,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the TOR
    Foligno, Nick
    $2,750,000
    LW, C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    McGinn, Brock
    $2,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 4
    Cizikas, Casey
    $2,950,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,645,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Engvall, Pierre
    $1,250,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Brooks, Adam
    $725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    $5,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    LD/RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    Raanta, Antti
    $2,250,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the TOR
    Vehvilainen, Veini
    $750,000
    G
    UFA
    Ritchie, Brett
    $750,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Schenn, Luke
    $900,000
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:23 a.m.
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    @Gmonwy is there anything you would like to say??
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:26 a.m.
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    Leafs are way better off just keeping marner then moving him with retention.

    No chance Leafs retain $2M+ for 4 years.
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:27 a.m.
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    As a Leaf fan, I don't mind the deal. The big advantage of is in two years when Tkachuk leaves as a UFA....well there is 9m cap for another player by not having a retained Marner
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: palhal
    As a Leaf fan, I don't mind the deal. The big advantage of is in two years when Tkachuk leaves as a UFA....well there is 9m cap for another player by not having a retained Marner


    I mean we could sign Tkachuk for a 5-6 year deal
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:30 a.m.
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    i think the leafs would pay more just for calgary to take on marners whole contract. dont see them retaining anything
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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:30 a.m.
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    Minutes after this deal is announced, Kyle Dubas tears off his dress shirt to reveal a Calgary Flames logo underneath, laughing as he takes a job in their front office.

    No chance the Leafs retain any salary in which they trade away the best player in the deal. I understand your rational why you did what you said, but it's a poor deal for the Leafs and there's no way around that. It makes the team worse, even if everyone is mad at Marner for his playoff performance.

    Can I just add that Marner's contract is not a "problem" nor something the Leafs have to "get out of." He's an excellent player who is paid pretty much what's hes worth. Would I like it to be a bit cheaper, of course. Would I have preferred it if we didn't have a pandemic that caused lots of bad things, including the flat cap, of course. But that doesn't mean you trade him on 50 cents to the dollar, and Dubas won't either
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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:32 a.m.
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    Tkachuk's QO is 9 mil next year. Unless you offer him 10 on a long term deal there is no reason for him not to accept the QO and hit FA in a year. Marner at 11 looks like a steal compared to Tkachuk at 10
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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:33 a.m.
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    i think the leafs would pay more just for calgary to take on marners whole contract. dont see them retaining anything


    I wouldnt mind
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:39 a.m.
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    I mean we could sign Tkachuk for a 5-6 year deal


    Sorry, these trades that are made "hoping" to sign a player are really just useless fantasy. I don't know Tkachuk's motivation to sign with the Leafs. In two years, he can explore his UFA options, which is probably the reason why he wants to leave Calgary.
    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.
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    This is the best Marner trade I have seen. Always a good idea to get inspired by recent trades.

    The only flaw in your resonning is the retaining. Winnipeg only paid for half a year of Laine's salary. IMO, a smaller amount would make it more fair (3x1M).

    This said, I would totally understand Calgary passing on getting Marner's full contract. He's not worth close to that kind of money.

    Nice job, and I dont say that often 👌
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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.
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    Gmonwy is there anything you would like to say??


    he would like to say either "no thanks" "flames decline" or "SKREEEEEEEE MARNER NO SKREEEEE SKREEEE"
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    Jun. 22, 2021 at 1:20 p.m.
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    I think a straight up 1 for 1 with no retention makes most sense - Can't see TO retaining that much for that long and can't see CGY adding Dube to the mix. The $4M saving this year and approx. $2M next would give TO the cap flexibility to secure Hyman if they wanted. Marner's contract and TK's intangibles tend to balance the value.

    Just for the record I do not want to trade TK unless for Eichel because of his intangibles but the value is there in a Marner trade.
     
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