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Tkachuk and Konecny

Created by: MakeMarnerACentre
Initial Creation Date: Jun 23, 2021
Published: Jun 23 at 5:23
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis1$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hamilton, Dougie7$8,000,000
Coleman, Blake4$3,500,000
Foligno, Nick1$1,500,000
Galchenyuk, Alex1$1,050,000
Bogosian, Zach1$850,000
Rittich, David1$750,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
  2. Mangiapane, Andrew
CGY
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
TOR
  1. Konecny, Travis
Additional Details:
base of the trade
PHI
  1. Rielly, Morgan
TOR
    SEA
    1. Engvall, Pierre
    2. Mikheyev, Ilya
    3. Holl, Justin
    TOR
    1. Vanecek, Vitek
    WSH
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    TOR
    TOR
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$79,948,450$0$400,000$1,551,550
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    CGY
    Tkachuk, Matthew
    $7,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    PHI
    Konecny, Travis
    $5,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $796,667
    LW
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    CGY
    Mangiapane, Andrew
    $2,425,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Foligno, Nick
    $1,500,000
    LW, C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Coleman, Blake
    $3,500,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    TOR
    Galchenyuk, Alex
    $1,050,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA
    TOR
    Brooks, Adam
    $725,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Anderson, Joey
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Hamilton, Dougie
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    WSH
    Vanecek, Vitek
    $716,667
    G
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Dermott, Travis
    $800,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Liljegren, Timothy
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Rittich, David
    $750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $850,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3

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    Jun 23 at 5:30
    #1
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    XCGY and PHI both decline...

    Tkachuk IMO is more valuable than Marner and Mangiapane is more valuable than Kerfoot. (Kerfoot has just 51 pts in last 2 years and at 3.5mil is not worth it)

    PHI is in need of a defensive RD, not a LD puck rusher/pt producer. PHI has Provorov, Sanheim, Cam York, Ghost all at LD, with puck movers Zamula, Hogberg and Millman (all rookies) in AHL.

    Reilly has value, but probably not to PHI.

    And I doubt Foligno, Dermott, Gally sign for SO low.
    Jun 23 at 5:32
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    XCGY and PHI both decline...

    Tkachuk IMO is more valuable than Marner and Mangiapane is more valuable than Kerfoot.

    PHI is in need of a defensive RD, not a LD puck rusher/pt producer. PHI has Provorov, Sanheim, Cam York, Ghost all at LD, with puck movers Zamula, Hogberg and Millman (all rookies) in AHL.

    Reilly has value, but probably not to PHI.

    And I doubt Foligno, Dermott, Gally sign for SO low.


    Rielly>Sanheim Marner> Tkachuk Mangiapane>Kerfoot is how i view it, tkachuk isnt more valuable than marner imo, no reason to suggest that other than physicality, marner is better at everything else lmfao
    Jun 23 at 5:39
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    Edited Jun 23 at 8:43
    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    Rielly>Sanheim Marner> Tkachuk Mangiapane>Kerfoot is how i view it, tkachuk isnt more valuable than marner imo, no reason to suggest that other than physicality, marner is better at everything else lmfao


    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Its also the very type of game that TOR lacks, that gives Tkachuk equal status to Marners offensive ability. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it
    Jun 23 at 5:42
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    Flames decline
    Tkachuk = Marner
    Mangiapane >>> Kerfoot

    Philly doesn't need more offensive LD either, especially a rental for a similar caliber player locked up long term
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    Jun 23 at 6:35
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    mokumboi
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    Zero chance Calgary goes for that thievery.
    Jun 23 at 6:54
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    Lenny7
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it


    Mitch Marner playoff career: 25 pts in 32 games.
    Matthew Tkachuk playoff career: 5 pts in 15 games.

    Mitch Marner's alledged playoff failures are greatly overstated.
    Jun 23 at 7:20
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it


    Tkachuk contract works against him more than Marner. His QO is over 9 and he can go to arbitration and walk to UFA
    Jun 23 at 7:59
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    I don't understand this obsession of Konecny for Rielly, it's not happening. It's been explained on EVERY AGM post that proposes it and makes zero sense for the Flyers.
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    Jun 23 at 8:37
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it



    I think manner is definitely better than Tkachuk. Tkachuk had 9.2 minutes of penalty killing this year and Marner had 107 minutes. You also can't really, say other then points, because that's the hardest thing to do. I know the contract works against him but Marner was top 5 in points and 10th in selke voting
    Jun 23 at 10:09
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    Papi
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Its also the very type of game that TOR lacks, that gives Tkachuk equal status to Marners offensive ability. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it


    Marner was tenth in selke voting you moron
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    Jun 23 at 10:56
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    Edited Jun 23 at 11:25
    Quoting: maccer25
    Marner was tenth in selke voting you moron


    Yes and it showed in the playoffs

    Cant escape that TOR added Foligno/Nash/Simmonds/even Thornton and others because they lack grit and physicality. If TOR wants to address it gioing forward, instead of moving deck chairs around the titanic, you make a meaningful change.

    CGY wants to move Tkachuk less than TOR wants to move Marner. Is Marner the better player, yes, but is Tkachuk more of the player TOR needs, I think yes.

    You'll never get a marner for a marner, but tkachuk and almost 4mil in cap space to make a run next year, that to me is a pretty even swap.

    CGY probably doesn;t want much else that TOR has, so they have to add something of value TO CGY.
    Jun 23 at 12:58
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Tkachuk is a better two way player, and Marner's showing in the playoffs (and his contract) work against him. Other than pts, Tkachuk is the far better player. Its also the very type of game that TOR lacks, that gives Tkachuk equal status to Marners offensive ability. Sanheim's age and contract status brings him closer to Reilly IMO, but if thats the way you view it, thats the way you view it


    thats the farthest thing from the truth, mitch marner is one of the best defensive wingers in the league
     
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