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Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2021
Published: Jun. 24, 2021
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This is mostly about the value check....
I assume that every Flyer fan will say that Couturier is not tradeable (and I would guess they are right)... but let's pretend that Fletcher doesn't think he can pay him next summer, or Couturier doesn't want to stay, and CF tries to capture value while he can... It's been said that there is at least a little interest in Dumba by PHI, and I would prefer to pay this sort of package for Couturier to Eichel..
Probably needs value adjusted or more salary going back to MN... not sure... suggest away.
I think that with the cap situation, one of Boldy or Duhaime or Dewar etc should be on the team. I don't know RD well enough so I just plugged the hole with Hunt to complete the roster.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,111,000
4$4,354,000
4$8,500,000
2$1,050,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,000,000
1$750,000
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MIN
  1. Couturier, Sean
PHI
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Greenway, Jordan
  3. Rossi, Marco
  4. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
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2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$67,360,833$0$965,000$14,139,167
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Kaprizov, Kirill
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW
UFA - 5
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Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
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Zuccarello, Mats
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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Parise, Zach
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LW
UFA - 1
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Rask, Victor
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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Fiala, Kevin
$6,111,000$6,111,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Foligno, Marcus
$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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Eriksson Ek, Joel
$4,354,000$4,354,000
C
UFA - 8
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Hartman, Ryan
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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Sturm, Nico
$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
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Duhaime, Brandon
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UFA - 2
Stepan, Derek
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Dewar, Connor
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RFA - 1
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Suter, Ryan
$3,650,000$3,650,000
LD
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UFA - 4
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Spurgeon, Jared
$7,575,000$7,575,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
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Talbot, Cam
$3,666,667$3,666,667
G
UFA - 2
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Brodin, Jonas
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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Addison, Calen
$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 2
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Kähkönen, Kaapo
$725,000$725,000
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Soucy, Carson
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Hunt, Brad
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 11:58 a.m.
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For a pending UFA that is a solid package. If I'm Wild I'd hesitate doing this...if Couts walked it would be such a step back in their retool, they'd lose two or three years completely
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:04 p.m.
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No.
How about Dumba, Rossi, and Greenway for Couts and Konecny?
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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I like Couturier a lot but this is way too much for a rental
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
No.
How about Dumba, Rossi, and Greenway for Couts and Konecny?


What's with all the Konecny love? Neither his Point stats nor his advanced stats have me excited to trade for him and his $5.5 cap hit... what am I missing on him that is appealing?

But I get the point about Couts being a risk... it's always a risk to trade for someone 1 year away from UFA.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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I like Couturier a lot but this is way too much for a rental


I wouldn't see him as a rental though. And BG wouldn't do that trade for a rental... He's always about better now and better down the line. I'd be trading for Couturier knowing that I would need to pay him in a year and I'm okay with that. Perhaps that's a naiive take to think that we could re-sign someone we traded for, but that would be the intent.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
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What's with all the Konecny love? Neither his Point stats nor his advanced stats have me excited to trade for him and his $5.5 cap hit... what am I missing on him that is appealing?

But I get the point about Couts being a risk... it's always a risk to trade for someone 1 year away from UFA.


Near PPG player 2 years ago and he's still young with potential. I'd love him personally. He plays a really fast, hard game that I think would fit in well for us.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:21 p.m.
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I wouldn't see him as a rental though. And BG wouldn't do that trade for a rental... He's always about better now and better down the line. I'd be trading for Couturier knowing that I would need to pay him in a year and I'm okay with that. Perhaps that's a naiive take to think that we could re-sign someone we traded for, but that would be the intent.


I still wouldn't be comfortable moving Rossi (or Boldy) for him. He's really good, but those two shouldn't be moved unless one is included in a deal for someone like Eichel. I just think it's too big of a risk for us to pay a big price for potential rentals like Couturier, Hertl, or Zibanejad if he's available
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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Quoting: MNBassman
No.
How about Dumba, Rossi, and Greenway for Couts and Konecny?


That isn't close. Basically Rossi and Greenway for Coots? No Thanks.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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I still wouldn't be comfortable moving Rossi (or Boldy) for him. He's really good, but those two shouldn't be moved unless one is included in a deal for someone like Eichel. I just think it's too big of a risk for us to pay a big price for potential rentals like Couturier, Hertl, or Zibanejad if he's available


I personally see Eichel as a bigger risk... but that's just me. And any top C, whether expiring UFA or not, will be "unpalatably expensive".
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
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That isn't close. Basically Rossi and Greenway for Coots? No Thanks.


I'll grant you the original deal wasn't good for Philadelphia, but it's not "basically Rossi and Greenway", it's Dumba, Rossi and Greenway.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:37 p.m.
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I'll grant you the original deal wasn't good for Philadelphia, but it's not "basically Rossi and Greenway", it's Dumba, Rossi and Greenway.


But what the poster I was responding to said was TK and Coots and we don't even get the 1st.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:39 p.m.
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But what the poster I was responding to said was TK and Coots and we don't even get the 1st.


Yes I'm aware, he offer Dumba, Rossi and Greenway for them. Not "basically Rossi and Greenway".
Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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I'll grant you the original deal wasn't good for Philadelphia, but it's not "basically Rossi and Greenway", it's Dumba, Rossi and Greenway.


What about the original proposal is bad for Philly? I heard bad for MN because of the risk of getting a UFA-1, but what seems not good from the PHI side?
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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What about the original proposal is bad for Philly? I heard bad for MN because of the risk of getting a UFA-1, but what seems not good from the PHI side?


Sorry, I was referring to the proposal that poster quoted, Dumba, Rossi and Greenway for Couturier and Konecny. Not your original proposal.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:54 p.m.
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What's with all the Konecny love? Neither his Point stats nor his advanced stats have me excited to trade for him and his $5.5 cap hit... what am I missing on him that is appealing?

But I get the point about Couts being a risk... it's always a risk to trade for someone 1 year away from UFA.


TK took a step back this year, but in 2019-20 he looked like our best forward. Showing some flashes of Mike Richards in his prime.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.
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On a UFA1 trade you can include discussions about their next contract, so GMBG would know a ball park of what Couts is expecting. I think it's worth the risk if we could do it. But I also agree with TanSor that Boldy and Rossi shouldn't be in the trade bait for anyone but Eichel.

BTW, the best RD after Addison is Mermis. Hunt will be allowed to walk, but you'll get Mermis for 750k so no change to your build
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 12:57 p.m.
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TK took a step back this year, but in 2019-20 he looked like our best forward. Showing some flashes of Mike Richards in his prime.


And he was just shy of 50 pts for two years in a row prior… so which is the anomaly? 19-20 or 20-21?
In my mind I was thinking 61 in 82games not in 66, so 19-20 was much more productive than I was thinking.

But it sounds likely that I need to watch more because I am probably undervaluing him.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 1:00 p.m.
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Yes I'm aware, he offer Dumba, Rossi and Greenway for them. Not "basically Rossi and Greenway".


If you use TK and Dumba as trade offs, that is exactly what it becomes...
Jun. 24, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.
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On a UFA1 trade you can include discussions about their next contract, so GMBG would know a ball park of what Couts is expecting. I think it's worth the risk if we could do it. But I also agree with TanSor that Boldy and Rossi shouldn't be in the trade bait for anyone but Eichel.

BTW, the best RD after Addison is Mermis. Hunt will be allowed to walk, but you'll get Mermis for 750k so no change to your build

I also don’t have an expansion pick in the build… so it’s not very complete anyway…
I will agreed to disagree on Eichel. There are 15 centers in the league that I would trade Rossi and/or Boldy for … and Couts is on that list for me, and for me Eichel is not.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 1:46 p.m.
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And he was just shy of 50 pts for two years in a row prior… so which is the anomaly? 19-20 or 20-21?
In my mind I was thinking 61 in 82games not in 66, so 19-20 was much more productive than I was thinking.

But it sounds likely that I need to watch more because I am probably undervaluing him.


The two seasons where he didn't reach 50 points was because he was stuck on power play two. That unit was so inept, that they would practically keep the first unit out the whole time. Almost all his points came at 5v5. Once he got moved up to pp1 in 19-20, it wasn't surprising he nearly became a ppg player and led the team in scoring. This year everyone on the team sucked so it wasn't just Konecny. I think Konecny will be a reliable 70-80 point guy in his prime.
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Jun. 24, 2021 at 1:56 p.m.
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Couts gets a 1st + an A/B prospect or young bottom-6/pair player with upside as a rental trade. He should only be traded as a TDL type of deal if Philly is out of it.

Quoting: kallenpj
What's with all the Konecny love? Neither his Point stats nor his advanced stats have me excited to trade for him and his $5.5 cap hit... what am I missing on him that is appealing?

But I get the point about Couts being a risk... it's always a risk to trade for someone 1 year away from UFA.


I don't get it either. TK is a fine player, but adding another $5.5m in cap for a wing isn't something MN should be trying to do with Fiala, Kaprizov, Parise, and Zucc all making more than that already. Boldy needs to come in and be the cheap ELC player for the next couple of years to offset the big cap hits.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
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The two seasons where he didn't reach 50 points was because he was stuck on power play two. That unit was so inept, that they would practically keep the first unit out the whole time. Almost all his points came at 5v5. Once he got moved up to pp1 in 19-20, it wasn't surprising he nearly became a ppg player and led the team in scoring. This year everyone on the team sucked so it wasn't just Konecny. I think Konecny will be a reliable 70-80 point guy in his prime.

Thanks for the valuable insight!
We, the Wild faithful, know a thing or two about inept poweplay units.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 2:11 p.m.
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And he was just shy of 50 pts for two years in a row prior… so which is the anomaly? 19-20 or 20-21?
In my mind I was thinking 61 in 82games not in 66, so 19-20 was much more productive than I was thinking.

But it sounds likely that I need to watch more because I am probably undervaluing him.


His development is really going to depend on how he can bounce back to 2019-20 form, he admitted to some local media in Philly that he didn't stay in good enough shape during his time off in the pandemic. I am hoping he can bounce back this year, he is only 24 as well still has a few more years until he should be in his prime.
Jun. 24, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.
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The Flyers aren't trading Couturier anyway, so this is all moot.
 
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