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Rielly to Carolina idea

Created by: jet11567
Initial Creation Date: Jun 24, 2021
Published: Jun 24 at 12:34
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Protect 7-3-1 exposing kerfoot at the draft and trade Holl ahead of the draft to get a pick or 2 so he’s not gone for nothing
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis1$1,000,000
Foegele, Warren1$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hamilton, Dougie8$8,000,000
Raanta, Antti1$1,500,000
Wennberg, Alexander3$3,500,000
Goodrow, Barclay4$2,500,000
Bogosian, Zach1$1,200,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Foegele, Warren [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CAR)
Additional Details:
Rights to Dougie Hamilton
CAR
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Rielly, Morgan
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (COL)
  2. 2021 7th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Holl, Justin
TOR
    SEA
    1. Kerfoot, Alexander
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    TOR
    CAR
    COL
    TOR
    TOR
    COL
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$80,929,783$0$400,000$570,217
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Foegele, Warren
    $2,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $796,667
    LW
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Goodrow, Barclay
    $2,500,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    Wennberg, Alexander
    $3,500,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $750,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,645,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Semyonov, Kirill
    $825,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Anderson, Joey
    $750,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Brooks, Adam
    $725,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Hamilton, Dougie
    $8,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    Raanta, Antti
    $1,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Dermott, Travis
    $1,000,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,200,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Liljegren, Timothy
    $863,333
    RD
    RFA - 1

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    Jun 24 at 12:42
    #1
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    At this point, if I'm Toronto I don't give up anything more than a 4th round pick for Hamilton's rights. Everyone knows he's basically going to free agency, and there's been reports out already that he's interested in Toronto. Why move your best defenceman when you can just wait a bit longer and get Hamilton for free? Then if you need the cap you can move Rielly for something else that the team needs.

    This just doesn't seem to have any point to it from Toronto's side and Carolina is running away in value here.
    Jun 24 at 12:44
    #2
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    You can keep Engvall but otherwise I think Canes say yes generally.

    I personally still think Hamilton comes back to Canes bc I doubt he’ll get much more in FA than the final offer from Canes and it’s a pretty perfect situation for him here.
    Jun 24 at 12:46
    #3
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    Quoting: TrueCanuck
    At this point, if I'm Toronto I don't give up anything more than a 4th round pick for Hamilton's rights. Everyone knows he's basically going to free agency, and there's been reports out already that he's interested in Toronto. Why move your best defenceman when you can just wait a bit longer and get Hamilton for free? Then if you need the cap you can move Rielly for something else that the team needs.

    This just doesn't seem to have any point to it from Toronto's side and Carolina is running away in value here.


    Rielly for warren foegle and a second isn’t a bad deal at all Hamilton rights are so we can give him a 8th year guaranteeing we get him
    Jun 24 at 12:47
    #4
    Joined: Oct 2016
    Posts: 281
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    You do realize that the Avs have their own D to protect? Probably not the best plan to spend good picks to not be able to protect another one.
    Jun 24 at 12:48
    #5
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    You can keep Engvall but otherwise I think Canes say yes generally.

    I personally still think Hamilton comes back to Canes bc I doubt he’ll get much more in FA than the final offer from Canes and it’s a pretty perfect situation for him here.


    Contract negotiations between Carolina and Hamilton have stalled and they have allowed him to negotiate with other teams hes as good as gone and part of the value is shedding Engvall
    Jun 24 at 12:53
    #6
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    Quoting: jet11567
    Contract negotiations between Carolina and Hamilton have stalled and they have allowed him to negotiate with other teams hes as good as gone and part of the value is shedding Engvall


    That’s not full story. Carolina gave an offer and Dougie thinks he can get more elsewhere. Carolina gave permission for his agent to go find better offers so they can either figure out a sign and trade if there’s an 8 year deal involved or potentially come back and continue negotiating if the offers aren’t far apart since he has said repeatedly since joining he’d love to stay here as it’s a great fit.

    His agent has been working for a couple weeks now on other offers and nothing big has come up which is why it seems like the door is still open. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up leaving either in a sign and trade or just in FA but also wouldn’t be shocked to see him back in Carolina.

    Engvall is a no thank you still. Pawn him off elsewhere.
    Jun 24 at 12:54
    #7
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    Quoting: jet11567
    Rielly for warren foegle and a second isn’t a bad deal at all Hamilton rights are so we can give him a 8th year guaranteeing we get him


    Rielly for Foegele and a 2nd is not a good deal for Toronto. They don't need anymore middle 6 wingers and the puck doesn't help them in the slightest right now. So again, it comes down to Hamilton for a pick and that's about it. I don't see the 8th year being a big deal if there's considerable mutual interest in the first place.

    If Toronto signs Hamilton in free agency, I'd think Toronto would start the price for Rielly to Carolina at Morgan Geekie and a 1st (top 10 protected). I could see a few more assets on either side being added, but that's what fits Toronto's needs. & they're not gonna move their beat defenceman for anything less than something to drastically help them win now.
    Jun 24 at 12:55
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    avs accept
    Jun 24 at 1:09
    #9
    Llinder2016
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    OOOOO I actually love that Canes trade. Love Forgs and could be a very useful player! Great thinking
    Jun 24 at 1:19
    #10
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    Quoting: LittleBuddha
    You do realize that the Avs have their own D to protect? Probably not the best plan to spend good picks to not be able to protect another one.


    For that price Id take Holl. Make SEA pick between Graves, Donskoi, and Holl (probably Graves), then you get to keep the other 2
     
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