This doesn't help Carolina. We create a RHD hole by losing Dougie, Rielly does not fix that. And we create a 2C hole by moving Trocheck, and bring back a depth forward and futures?

You're also likely to lose a LD to Seattle, either Skjei or Bean. Rielly plays like Hamilton, would be a solid top4 D for you that brings that offense you lose with Hamilton moving. Keep in mind that should CAR move his rights or just not re-sign him, they'd lose him no matter what.

As for your forward lineup after this trade, I'd consider

Niederreiter - Aho - Teräväinen
Svechnikov - Staal - UFA scorer
Kerfoot - Necas - Geekie
Martinook/McGinn/Foegele (whoever you re-sign) - Lorentz - Fast

If we think we are going to lose Dougie we are going to be protecting Skjei, we don't want to lose 2 top-4 D, and we will not need another 5 million dollar LD. That forward lineup is worse than our current lineup. Staal is a shutdown 3rd line center. We picked up Trocheck because we needed an actual 2C. Kerfoot is not really an upgrade on the 3rd line over Foegele.

None of the pieces coming back improve the team enough to consider trading away Trocheck.

I personally disagree, but I suppose it comes out to how you value players. Imo Rielly is such a step up from Skjei that it would justify dropping from Trocheck to Kerfoot. Also Necas could very well be able to take on that actual 2C role if necessary.

But nonetheless this would only work with CAR actually losing Skjei and CAR being certain Hamilton's not coming back at a price they'd find acceptable. And if this move is done prior to ExD as it's explained, then they won't be protecting Skjei.

We don't need Ilya, just give us your 5th and you can have Subban.

While I understand what you're saying because we have a ton of players that need ice time. I'd bump one of them for Ilya. I think he has untapped potential that more ice time can help.

Id prefer to stick with Hino and Hagel than Ilya and then we also have Kura there also.

More idiocy from leafs fans. “Give is your good players and we’ll give you players we don’t want and that aren’t that good!” Canes counter - add marner Matthew’s and nylander while retaining 75% of their salary just to stop these garbage offers.

There's no Leafs fans discussing here and I don't understand what is your point here

That trade just seems like a step backwards for Carolina. Carolina getting rielly is a loss for Carolina in most of the trades on this website. Carolina losing Hamilton creates a hole for RD which means Carolina needs to find a top 4 RD no matter what happens with rielly. if Carolina loses skjei, Rielly would be good for 2LD but knowing Dubas and looking at all the trades people make it creates more holes for Carolina than filling holes. Trocheck is a great fit for Carolina's 2c and staal and necas are not able to fill that spot. Thats why trocheck was acquired in the first place and kerfoot is definitely a 3c. I would rather have a 2LD problem instead of a top 6 F problem.

Losing potentially both Hamilton and Skjei is going to be a step back for Carolina nonetheless.

I do agree that moving Trocheck for Rielly is solving one problem, but creating another. I'd still say that you have a guy like Necas ready to take that 2C slot, and in theory Kerfoot could fill the hole moving Necas would create, but I don't think you have the assets to replace the holes losing these D-men would cause. And there are not many good D-men in the UFA market with desirable cost. This is where Rielly comes in.

Unless you want to overpay Tyson Barrie that is.

haha Barrie would be horrible in Carolina's scheme, Most likely they'd pursue Dunn aggressively and then hope Bean could step up on the left. If they got Dunn and lost skjei their top 4 would be slavin,Pesce,Bean,Dunn which isn't as good last year but its not much worse because Rod can help Bean like he did skjei and its cheaper which gives the canes money to get another forward who can score and make the depth better.

Would you rather lose tavares or Muzzin if you had to choose one.

Tavares probably. Muzzin is so integral to Leafs defense that without him their defense would leak like a f*cking broken umbrella in a monsoon.

At least in theory TOR should have lots and lots of ability to score even without Tavares.

Dunn is a probable option, but it all comes to how much they're willing to pay for him, both in compensation for STL and in contract as he's a pending RFA. It's also possible that Seattle is taking him as well.

I like the Carolina deal it's creative! I'd be willing to add Holl for Fast if it would help get the deal done.

I've been thinking about a Domi deal but not sure if it makes sense for them... Domi 50% retained for Mikeyev and a 2nd. Domi had 7 more points than Mik last year, they're both the same age and UFA's after the season, the 2nd would be for retention. What do you think?

Domi has more value for CBJ due to his ability to play C. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Mikheyev strictly a winger? They have a surplus of those.

This trade of mine works if CBJ decides to retool. Engvall can play C if need be, but mostly the trade is moving a NHL ready asset with salary retained for a good prospect.

You're right Mikeyev is strictly a winger.

My thought process behind my trade proposal was CBJ jets a player back who had 7 less points last year and who is the same age while basically buying a 2nd round pick even though they save a mill financially. I also initially had Engvall as part of the trade to balance the money from our side, but I figured they wouldn't have space for him so I took him out of the deal and assumed he would be traded for a 7th or a tweener from another team.

I thought of our Liljegren too for one of there younger pieces but I don't think the leafs FO would give up on him after developing him for the last 4 years unless he was packaged with other prospect(s) for a young, cheap player for our top six. As of rn the leafs need Lilly's contract and I can'tsee them moving him for what would be strictly a rental because the leafs wouldn't be ableto afford Domi's next contract IMO.

I appreciate the input!