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Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 28, 2021
Published: Jun. 28, 2021
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Description
C - Chabot

A - Tkachuk
A - Brown
A - Cole
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,250,000
2$2,750,000
2$4,250,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
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    Seattle selects Allen and sends him to Ottawa
    SEA
    1. Abramov, Vitaly [RFA Rights]
    2. Murray, Matt
    3. 2021 2nd round pick (SJS)
    4. 2021 2nd round pick (OTT)
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    23$81,500,000$57,522,583$0$4,932,500$23,977,417

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    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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    $747,500$747,500 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
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    C
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    C, RW
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:29 a.m.
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    Sure why not Montreal will just give you Allen for free to help the Sens secure a playoff spot over the Habs! Makes perfect sense! tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Sure why not Montreal will just give you Allen for free to help the Sens secure a playoff spot over the Habs! Makes perfect sense! tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy


    Pretty sure he means Seattle takes him and trades him to Ottawa for the package above
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:33 a.m.
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    I'm sure one of the old school NHL GMs would still trade a 2nd round pick for Murray
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Pretty sure he means Seattle takes him and trades him to Ottawa for the package above


    Ok that makes more sense lol

    Isn't the cap floor like 63 Mil though?
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:41 a.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Ok that makes more sense lol

    Isn't the cap floor like 63 Mil though?


    Something like that yeah
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:47 a.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    Something like that yeah


    So 60.4 would cause the sens to incur cap penalties.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    So 60.4 would cause the sens to incur cap penalties.


    They could take a cap dump
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    So 60.4 would cause the sens to incur cap penalties.


    ELC performance bonuses are not included in the 60.4M... you'd have to check what AAV would be instead of caphits here...

    and see below
    Upper Limit = $81.5 Million
    Midpoint = $70.9 Million
    Lower Limit = $60.2 Million

    the lower limit = 74.5% of Upper Limit
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 11:55 a.m.
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    Quoting: alpine4life
    ELC performance bonuses are not included in the 60.4M... you'd have to check what AAV would be instead of caphits here...

    and see below
    Upper Limit = $81.5 Million
    Midpoint = $70.9 Million
    Lower Limit = $60.2 Million

    the lower limit = 74.5% of Upper Limit


    Ok I was not sure what the lower limit was as it is usually easily achieved lol
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:05 p.m.
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    With that much cap space forget Ian Cole, I'd rather see them overpay Alec Martinez for two seasons.
    I'd be willing to go as high as $5.5M per season because he would be amazing to have on the ice to help JBD and Sanderson.
    The ENTIRE Ottawa D could learn from him... even Chabot !!!
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Sure why not Montreal will just give you Allen for free to help the Sens secure a playoff spot over the Habs! Makes perfect sense! tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy


    It says "Seattle selects Allen and sends him to Ottawa" on the trade, what part of that is Montreal helping Ottawa?
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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    Already went through the motions with Cole after the Brass trade. Ottawa has no interest in him and he's definitely not getting an A.
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    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
    Already went through the motions with Cole after the Brass trade. Ottawa has no interest in him and he's definitely not getting an A.


    All he did was get flipped to the Blue Jackets, he never suited up for the team? Seems odd to write off a steady veteran defender on such a young blueline.

    Quoting: TCMonkey
    With that much cap space forget Ian Cole, I'd rather see them overpay Alec Martinez for two seasons.
    I'd be willing to go as high as $5.5M per season because he would be amazing to have on the ice to help JBD and Sanderson.
    The ENTIRE Ottawa D could learn from him... even Chabot !!!


    Martinez would be a solid acquisition, my guess is Vegas finds a way to keep him as he is such a vital #3 on that team.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Cdn_bacon
    It says "Seattle selects Allen and sends him to Ottawa" on the trade, what part of that is Montreal helping Ottawa?


    Not on the Hads trade and I didn't care about a Seattle Ottawa deal so I didn't read that one.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Cdn_bacon
    All he did was get flipped to the Blue Jackets, he never suited up for the team? Seems odd to write off a steady veteran defender on such a young blueline.


    If they werent interested in him then, why would they be interested in him now? Mete will be playing in the slot that you have Cole in, he's earned that. The left side is set for the next season, the right side is what needs to be addressed. Signing Cole would either push Branny or Mete out (as you've done here) or lead to 1.5m sitting in the pressbox for the season. Regardless, he definitely wouldnt get an A.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Not on the Hads trade and I didn't care about a Seattle Ottawa deal so I didn't read that one.


    Maybe read the trade that the title is based on before commenting next time.

    Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
    If they werent interested in him then, why would they be interested in him now? Mete will be playing in the slot that you have Cole in, he's earned that. The left side is set for the next season, the right side is what needs to be addressed. Signing Cole would either push Branny or Mete out (as you've done here) or lead to 1.5m sitting in the pressbox for the season. Regardless, he definitely wouldnt get an A.


    He was acquired as part of the 3 team deal, Ottawa was not a contender they had to take on salary so they shipped him out for picks. It's not an indictment of the player they just were not in a spot to need his services at the time. Ottawa would be smart to develop Brannstrom over Mete, Mete on your 3rd pair doesn't kill penalties or provide leadership. Waive Joshua Brown if you want to keep Mete.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 12:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: Cdn_bacon
    Maybe read the trade that the title is based on before commenting next time.



    He was acquired as part of the 3 team deal, Ottawa was not a contender they had to take on salary so they shipped him out for picks. It's not an indictment of the player they just were not in a spot to need his services at the time. Ottawa would be smart to develop Brannstrom over Mete, Mete on your 3rd pair doesn't kill penalties or provide leadership. Waive Joshua Brown if you want to keep Mete.


    Where exactly in the TITLE does it say 3 way trade? Instead of being so offended that I didn't read the moronic Vegas trade as it had nothing to do with the Habs. Try making a TITLE that actually describes the whole theme
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 1:06 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Where exactly in the TITLE does it say 3 way trade? Instead of being so offended that I didn't read the moronic Vegas trade as it had nothing to do with the Habs. Try making a TITLE that actually describes the whole theme


    All you had to do was read one sentence I wasn't asking for a lot. Also there is no trade with Vegas on here... get a grip.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.
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    Figured I better explain why I called the Seattle-Ottawa trade moronic. You have Seattle selecting Allen who is clearly better than Murray and it's not even close. Then you have Vegas trading Allen to Ottawa to take Murray but what you failed to do was give anything to Seattle for Allen because the package you sent back may have been enough to convince them to take 3 more years of Murray but it is not enough for Allen on top of that. Upgrade one of the seconds to a 22 1st then you get the package required for both. A 2nd for Allen and the rest for 3 years of Murray.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
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    All you had to do was read one sentence I wasn't asking for a lot. Also there is no trade with Vegas on here... get a grip.


    Right it was Seattle my bad for putting the wrong team in the moronic trade. It still doesn't make it any better LMAO.

    Edit*** ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS add the words "in 3 way" to the title.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.
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    Right it was Seattle my bad for putting the wrong team in the moronic trade. It still doesn't make it any better LMAO.

    Edit*** ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS add the words "in 3 way" to the title.


    All you had to do was read one sentence directly below the Allen trade for to make sense, calm down.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: Cdn_bacon
    He was acquired as part of the 3 team deal, Ottawa was not a contender they had to take on salary so they shipped him out for picks. It's not an indictment of the player they just were not in a spot to need his services at the time. Ottawa would be smart to develop Brannstrom over Mete, Mete on your 3rd pair doesn't kill penalties or provide leadership. Waive Joshua Brown if you want to keep Mete.


    Brown plays the right side. Waiving him does nothing to keep Mete on the ice. On the other hand, not signing Cole when both of them play the left side would actually keep him on the ice. Ottawa's still not a contender now and still don't need his services. There's no reason to develop Brannstrom over Mete when they can both play on the left side. They did this down the stretch after the trade deadline and came out of it top 5 in terms of record. Also Mete averaged almost a minute per game on the pk after coming to Ottawa so clearly he does play some pk.

    Are we just going to ignore the fact that one of the best teams in the league this year shipped Cole out for nothing as a cap dump? They certainly wouldnt have been willing to also retain almost 1m on his contract if his leadership was as valuable as youre saying it is.

    It's not just me saying that the right side is what needs to be addressed. The team already came out and said theyre trying to acquire a top 4 RD. The left side is set. They're not picking someone like Cole up.
    Jun. 28, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: TheBoyDuddus
    Brown plays the right side. Waiving him does nothing to keep Mete on the ice. On the other hand, not signing Cole when both of them play the left side would actually keep him on the ice. Ottawa's still not a contender now and still don't need his services. There's no reason to develop Brannstrom over Mete when they can both play on the left side. They did this down the stretch after the trade deadline and came out of it top 5 in terms of record. Also Mete averaged almost a minute per game on the pk after coming to Ottawa so clearly he does play some pk.

    Are we just going to ignore the fact that one of the best teams in the league this year shipped Cole out for nothing as a cap dump? They certainly wouldnt have been willing to also retain almost 1m on his contract if his leadership was as valuable as youre saying it is.

    It's not just me saying that the right side is what needs to be addressed. The team already came out and said theyre trying to acquire a top 4 RD. The left side is set. They're not picking someone like Cole up.


    Colorado was stacked, they moved Cole to allow Byram and Timmins to get minutes, Cole ended up playing quality minutes with Minny and was an effective penalty killer. Mete had a good run but can you put him as a 82 game regular based on a 10-15 game stretch when they were virtually eliminated?
     
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